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Hurry Up and Ship My “Major Award” Willya?

major awardI’m sorry, folks. I can’t help it. I’m helpless against continuing to make fun of the sugar addicted, essential fatty acid and protein deprived brains of The Vegan Menace.

I mean, c’mon; what am I, some slave to every silly pronouncement? Well, perhaps. Someone asked in a recent comment why I bother. I guess I just imagine some engineering, math, physics, or biology student in their dorm room a bit depressed about not being in the in crowd of well-off "vegan" guys and gals — old and resilient enough, but still young enough, and fueled enough, to coast, nutritionally — and with the luxury to spend that nutrition on a slowly wasting body and mind. Oh and don’t forget about the sexual benefits of really being "in."

I can’t help but wonder if at least some of those Googlers don’t read my stuff — and the logs indicate they do — concluding that, they don’t, after all, want to be associated with such simple mindedness — sexual benefits notwithstanding.

That English grad hottie — who can seemingly agitate Dr. Campbell and all his sycophants in her sleep — Denise Minger, just emailed me a heads-up link to those to whom I refer as "the gone bananas people."

by Jason Gibbins 7 hours ago

Hey guys, I’m new here. Great thing you guys are doing here.

Funny story about how I found the place. I’ve been following the crazy attacks on Dr. Campbell’s work by this cute little English Major I’m sure you’re all familiar with, and found that they are not just attacking The China Study, but anyone who supports it! And 30BaD is at the top of the list! Something you guys should be very proud of.

I love this term "blog bandits". I’ve been doing this for years before I ever knew there was such a name for it. I am presently beginning to start a major operation against this blog:

https://freetheanimal.com/

They are one of the ones you listed above, and I think, based on google results, one of the biggest culprits in this entire attack on the China Study and fruit-based veganism itself. If you look at the comments section, you can see what idiots they are. I am sure you have already realized that the blogs newest post is a direct attack on this forum, with all kinds of childish name calling:

https://freetheanimal.com/2010/10/vegan-zealots-censor-criticism-of-…

I say we get in there and really put out the info, and make them look twice at their carnivorous madness!

I don’t know about you, but I "look" at my "carnivorous madness!" at least twice per day, unless, of course, I eat three meals. But as we know, the nutritional density of "carnivorous madness!" tends to curb hunger for very long periods — sometimes 24-48 hours, especially after one of those 3lb binges of red meat and animal fat goodness.

But the real reason I blogged this was to tender a reference. For some reason, the instant I read — well, after I picked myself off the floor laughing, that is — "I am presently beginning to start a major operation against this blog" my mind flashed to that scene in The Christmas Story where Mr. Parker wins a "Major Award."

Here’s the clip on YouTube for your unabashed comic amusement.

Well, as I said, I can’t help myself. Is it unfair? Probably, what with the brain shrinkage association with veganism & all. I dunno. What do you think? Ought I treat Jason Gibbins, self described "male, hunk" and the "brainchild" of this forthcoming "major operation" with a bit more sympathy?

Oh, and one more thing. I suppose now that since Free the Animal is going to be ‘under attack’ in this "major operation," I "should be very proud." The vegans feel so very threatened and of course, that must mean we’re right.

Yea, right. Something like that.

Richard Nikoley

I'm Richard Nikoley. Free The Animal began in 2003 and as of 2021, contains 5,000 posts. I blog what I wish...from health, diet, and food to travel and lifestyle; to politics, social antagonism, expat-living location and time independent—while you sleep—income. I celebrate the audacity and hubris to live by your own exclusive authority and take your own chances. Read More

313 Comments

  1. Sue on October 11, 2010 at 23:51

    Here is the audio of Philip McCluskey if anyone interested:

    He actually said the trim body type works well for women but a man enjoys having a large chest, strong legs, not feminine characteristics. You might want to be the super trim yoga guy or you wnt more size – masculinity.

  2. Marc on October 11, 2010 at 12:03

    I thought for sure that the Jason Gibbon’s profile was you in disguise trying to infiltrate and rabble-rouse.

  3. David Csonka on October 11, 2010 at 12:04

    You realize with your big mouth you’re practically welcoming them in here, right? Ahh, of course you do. Just like the alligator snapping turtle does to those poor little fish… 😀

  4. Russ Taylor on October 11, 2010 at 12:16

    That dude looks like some kind of Van Halen cover band reject. The band would probably be called something like, “Diver Down: A Van Halen Tribute.”

    I could see him either playing Eddie or Sammy Hagar during their set.

    They couldn’t play more than a 45 minute set before having to take a break though, you know the sugar crash and all.

    I guess they could get around that by playing “Everybody Want’s Some” but giving it a vegan “twist” and eating fruit during the song.

    Sorry, I have Van Halen on the mind for some reason today.

    • Travis on October 11, 2010 at 13:29

      Damn, you’re right! Somewhere out there, a lame tribute band is looking for its Eddie. 🙂

      • Russ Taylor on October 11, 2010 at 13:46

        The more I think about it, this guy is NOT cool enough to play Van Halen. He’s probably more of a Toto guy.



      • Khrystyna on October 11, 2010 at 15:53

        Ouch!



      • Travis on October 12, 2010 at 16:50

        He probably loves Kenny G.



  5. Elenor on October 11, 2010 at 12:18

    I find it alternately funny and very sad when ‘men’ go vegetarian and, worse, pick up all the weenie peace-love-dove idiocies of that crowd… I looked at Jason in his profile, and thought — omg, california weenie-boy. Where is all his testosterone? Where his his drive to compete, conquer, and control? What is happening to our males that they don’t grow up into MEN!? {sigh} It’s very sad… (and a bit scary when you remember they can vote and pass legislation!)

    • johnmc on October 11, 2010 at 15:54

      It’s been replaced by phytoestrogens.

      • Dave, RN on October 12, 2010 at 13:07

        Yup. Estrogenic foods like soy and estrogenic chemicals…



    • Bubba29 on October 12, 2010 at 06:25

      you are right about one thing elenor. the males in america are becoming sissies. there should be a very distinct line between men and women. that seems to be blurred in younger generations. males just aren’t becoming men anymore.

      • Aaron Blaisdell on October 13, 2010 at 14:23

        I guess Arnold the Governator was right in calling many politicians girlie men. On Wall street the drug of choice is cocaine, in the political aisles it’s soy milk and tofu, and freedom fries of course.



  6. Nathaniel on October 11, 2010 at 12:30

    Bwahaha, this is priceless. And your lines about “carnivorous madness” had me laughing out loud.

    Richard, you’ve been around for a while, but I think you are now truly becoming a legend in your own right in this evolutionary health community. Someday I’m going to be telling the youngsters that I was there on freetheanimal when Richard took on 30BaD.

  7. Logan on October 11, 2010 at 12:35

    Richard, I’m seriously worried about this disturbing new development. I think you might walk out your front door one day, and find a strategically placed banana peel on your stoop. Or a banana stuffed in your tailpipe. It’s dangerous to make enemies with a bunch of monkeys.

    • Johnnyv on October 11, 2010 at 13:08

      Not to mention all the flung feces!

    • Travis on October 11, 2010 at 13:26

      Nah, they’ll never make it to his house. They’re all too constipated from eating all of those bananas.

      • Khrystyna on October 11, 2010 at 15:55

        Quite the opposite I’d imagine!



      • Travis on October 12, 2010 at 16:50

        True, an excess consumption can work either way, so they’re still never going to make it. 😉



  8. Erik on October 11, 2010 at 13:05

    It’s nice to hear he’s only beginning to start his operation right now, so you’ll have plenty of time to get ready for when he starts to begin. Then you can one-up him by skipping the “beginning to start” step altogether and going straight to the “starting to begin” step yourself. That’ll show those mango-munchers!

  9. TwinkleStarlet on October 11, 2010 at 13:19

    The brain isn’t the only organ that shrinks on a vegan diet. I would never date a vegan guy as they do seem rather emasculated. They fight like girls, too. A vegan guy is no match for a paleo girl. LOL!

  10. Sarah Madden on October 11, 2010 at 13:22

    I cannot stop laughing at the word ‘Fruititionist!’ Bwahahahahaa!!

    • Khrystyna on October 11, 2010 at 15:57

      ‘THE’ fruititionist no less, you forgot the most important bit! I have to say we really owe a lot of quality laughs to the 30bad rejects over the last few weeks. Quality, just quality 🙂

    • Sue on October 11, 2010 at 22:59

      That’s her name – it was Freelee or something before. What a ditz.

    • R Dunn on October 14, 2010 at 05:52

      I wonder if she ever worked for this company – http://tinyurl.com/28f49pa

      or used this to count calories – http://tinyurl.com/ykleocn

  11. Dave Fish on October 11, 2010 at 13:25

    That dude looks like a scrawny Carrot Top.

    • Sue on October 11, 2010 at 22:56

      What’s with his hair??

  12. Ann on October 11, 2010 at 13:28
  13. LCforevah on October 11, 2010 at 13:47

    My goodness! Those moronic mango munchers live in a parallel universe! Maxwell comments that Minger should have asked TCC before crunching her numbers and formulating her critique? Like some obedient little girl?

    That kind of attitude is why I no longer have a TV subscription, because the obedient little trollops who call themselves newspeople don’t do any kind of investigative work, relying instead on getting the opinion of the politician or person being “investigated”

    Balls to that.

  14. Alex on October 11, 2010 at 14:19

    What on earth do they think they’ll accomplish by storming FTA and making complete fools of themselves?

    • Trish on October 11, 2010 at 14:56

      I don’t know, but it sounds like prime entertainment to me.

      • Russ Taylor on October 11, 2010 at 15:04

        I agree, I wish they’d get started already. Oh, the flaming that will ensue.



      • Khrystyna on October 11, 2010 at 16:02

        It’s exciting stuff. I find it odd how sexist all these vegans are though, the idea of a young attractive woman accomplishing this seems totally beyond their comprehension. I don’t know why! I know lots of extremely intelligent and hardworking women similar to Denise, I’m offended that they find it so absurd as to imply she’s fictitous. I wonder would it be the same if it was a good looking bloke?



      • Russ Taylor on October 11, 2010 at 16:40

        I was going to comment on all their weird sexist comments, but I didn’t. But I agree, it is awfully weird.



      • Elysa on October 12, 2010 at 06:23

        Khrystyna,

        My coworker, a 22 year old guy, has a theory on this phenomenon in general. He says that when men are sexist they’re just being, well, sexist. But when women are sexist towards other women it’s because “they’re retarded so they’re assuming you’re retarded too.”

        I think in this case though, we can modify it to read “Vegans are retarded so they’re assuming everyone else on the planet is retarded too.”

        And he means retarded in the “Dumb and Dumber” sense, not in the Down’s Syndrome sense, for the PC police out there.



      • Khrystyna on October 12, 2010 at 10:04

        Interssting analysis, thanks! I’d tend to agree, when I was a vegan I thought all out spoken meat eaters (including the ones who were much cleverer, more experienced and more educated than I) were all dumbass’s who were going to die of colon cancer. I now know better, must’ve grown some more brainz… 🙂



      • Elysa on October 12, 2010 at 18:43

        Actually I feel bad for the quiet vegans/veg who are quite live and let live and have sort of stay in the closet for fear of being associated with the crazy. I’ve met a few–heck, I was one for a while because I do love critters so very much. But I know from experience that I feel much better on a meat heavy diet and I was wrestling with the fact that I was already having animals killed in order to feed my cats…making cats and dogs be veggie is almost as bad as throwing puppies off bridges IMO.



      • LCforevah on October 13, 2010 at 10:21

        Wow, this explains so much about Elisabeth Hassellbeck.



  15. Dean on October 11, 2010 at 15:07

    That guy doesn’t look like he’s be able to fight his way out of a wet paper bag!

  16. MJ on October 11, 2010 at 15:20

    This is so wiered, 2 years ago I probably would have sided with the creepy vegan “zealots” but now that i’ve “evolved” and goten rid of all the negative effects of a veg diet (eczema, depression, fatigue etc..oh n i was not a junk food eater btw) i find it almost embarassing that i rolled with that crowd *chuckle*. My dad has been vegetarian since ’85 and i get this kinda stuff from him all the time and let’s just say he’s better off than your average fast food consumer but not by that much. I’ve seen the longterm ‘d’effects of being a vegetarian/sugarholic and it is ugly.
    first comment ever on a paleo site 🙂 (1.5 years paleo) I figured if that creep can come out of the woodwork then hey… 😉

    • Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 15:37

      Welcome to comments, MJ, where all the cool kids hang out.

    • Khrystyna on October 11, 2010 at 16:04

      I know exactly how you feel, although most of family and friends are still vegan or veggie and are nothing like those morons at 30bad. It’s a crappy stereotype, created by the likes of those fanatics that will no doubt be imposed on a lot more intelligent and unsuspecting vegans and veggies in the future.

  17. TandooriChicken on October 11, 2010 at 15:34

    Hey Richard, I’ve been following your site for the last year or so, just lurking. But with this post I just couldn’t help but comment. “Major operation?” Sounds like some kind of vegan James Bond job. Guess they don’t know that we’re an army of Jaws over here.

    Just wanted to join in the fun when the onslaught eventually “starts to begin” or “begins to start,” whichever comes first.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 15:40

      Ok, but just don’t take my post for actually taking it seriously.

      In other words, they could bring 100 times more than I expect and still keep me wanting.

      It’s a “carnivorous madness!” — never forget the girly exclamation point — thing, y’know.

  18. Sarah Madden on October 11, 2010 at 15:47

    Actually Richard, Could you do a little prep post on how to engage these people in the comments?

    I vote utmost manners and logical discussion, let’s show them how civil a caveman can be 🙂

    I would really relish the challenge of having my opinion contradicted and the option to reply to these people. After all, if they weren’t afraid of discussion they would open up their forums and not run away from debate.

    Bring it on.

    • Khrystyna on October 11, 2010 at 16:09

      I wouldn’t set you on anyone, least of all some poor old vegan still clinging onto the China Study! Hell you’re the reason I gave up veganism/vegetarianism after ten years and went paleo! It was because I didn’t have a hope of winning in an arguement with you about the merits of a veggie vs meat based diet, and eventually it dawned on me why, I’d never had a leg to stand on! Thanks btw, I owe you one big time for fixing my body 🙂

    • Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 16:30

      Sarah, I appreciate your sentiment, I really, truly do.

      But it just so goes against my grain to ever coordinate anything like that. That said, others are totally free to, even here.

      I’m a “lone wolf,” too used to it now and enthralled by my own shameless, independence to ever stop. But Ive been fostering that sort of thing in myself for a very long time, far longer back than the last three or so years Ive been Paleo

      If you ask me, the only primar I can give is be yourself and show yourself. Honesy really has a way of reaching people where an argument that’ totally right about everywhere they’re wrong, won’t.

      It’s like I always say: well, at least you know I’m not lying. I think that along counts for a lot more than people realize. The world is so full of lies, he’ll, half the time people are not even searching for the truth, only for the best lier & lies.

      So, every man & women for themselves, I guess. Sorry, hut it’s the best I can do.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 16:33

        Sorry for all the typos. Typing fast on an iPad, along with a bug that does not allow you to expand or scroll the tiy comment compose window to review & edit.



      • Chris on October 11, 2010 at 23:36

        Perhaps the bug on your iPad is the first stage of the “major operation”….be afraid. Be very afraid. Doesn’t this guy’s profile picture fill you with a fear for your life? Look at him, he’s a killer!



    • Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 16:37

      Oh, and I must reitterate: think closely about the theme of this post and the reference.

      It wasn’t only for comedy. I meant it. Ther elikely won’t even be any attack. If there is, it will be even lamer than Mr Parker’s “major award.”

      • Bushrat on October 13, 2010 at 23:29

        Way to throw the gauntlet down Richard.



    • Russ Taylor on October 11, 2010 at 16:48

      I would like to think that I could engage on a smart, technical level but I doubt if I can refrain from poking fun. There’s no arguing with them anyway because they’ve seen the light… of the comet… and now they just have to keep stuffing down those bananas until they pass from the physical world into a being of light upon the alien ship. They only eat fruits and veggies in space don’t you know.

      See, I just HAVE to go there.

  19. mango genocide on October 11, 2010 at 15:51

    If even the vegantards can agree that Neisy (ahem, “Denise Minger”) is cuter than a _widdle baby duckling_ there may be some hope left for them after all.

    Dain Bramage is sometimes reversible, or so I’m told.

  20. VeganWarrior on October 11, 2010 at 16:37

    LOL@this. They’re going to ATTACK this site?

    Jeez.

  21. Laurie D. on October 11, 2010 at 17:14

    “Carnivorous madness?” Is that like “reefer madness?” I don’t know, Richard…better keep an eye out for banana cream pie throwers.

  22. R Dunn on October 11, 2010 at 17:15

    I say we fight ’em with limericks

    I’ll start –

    There once was a Vegan named Jason
    He decided to put his Game Face on
    And ain’t it a Shame.
    His Statistics are Lame
    Hey Denise, Give him a Lesson

    Three once was a Vegan name Betty
    Never saw her she might be a Yeti
    She might be a Slut
    Who has a big Butt
    Or maybe a Project from SETI

    Had enough?
    I got more.
    It can only get worse

    • Russ Taylor on October 11, 2010 at 17:34

      Sir, that may be the best response of ALL TIME!!

      It’s also amazing that you managed to work the Yeti, SETI, and big butts all into one refrain!

      I am in awe.

    • Sean on October 12, 2010 at 02:04

      These are hilarious.

      There once was a vegan quite placid
      with polyunsaturated fat acid
      His brain size quite shrunk
      And so had his junk
      But PC as long as he lasted

      • Sean on October 12, 2010 at 02:12

        There once was a vegan from Gaul
        Who was scared of the cholesterol
        She tried to conceive
        But wouldn’t believe
        That soy milk is good for fuck all



      • Sean on October 12, 2010 at 02:23

        There once was a vegan from Perth
        Who was rather concerned with her girth
        ’30 bananas a day
        Doesn’t seem like the way’
        Free the Animal gave her rebirth



      • Sean on October 12, 2010 at 02:46

        Eating animals is strictly verboten
        According to vegan religion
        ‘Things such as B12
        Are there if you delve
        I supplement therefore I don’t sin.’

        Ok, verboten and religion don’t really rhyme so I’m giving it a rest. Thanks Mr Dunn for the inspiration.



      • Chris on October 14, 2010 at 05:25

        How could you miss working “flaccid” into that?



      • Sean on October 14, 2010 at 10:01

        Damnit!



  23. Elisabeth on October 12, 2010 at 07:42

    I think that 30bad should get hit with the Youtube video of Anthony Bourdain eating raw seal with an Inuit family
    This is a beautiful testament to the necessity and joy of meat.

    • MJ on October 12, 2010 at 13:25

      I LOVE Anthony Bourdain, something about his cynical nature (I’m a girl btw). The video is great, it reminds me of my on/off veggie aunt who’s health was deteriorating when she lived in yellowknife, alaska and a friend convinced her to eat plenty of meat and fish. Guess what, she gained back some much needed weight, mood got better and her hair and skin look a million times better. The naturopathic Dr she was seeing had her on all these herbs and supplements and convinced her that it was more important to take those than to have a COMPLETE diet. There are grocery stores there and she was eating plenty of food just not the kind she needed i suppose. I can’t think of a more inapropriate place to be a veggie than in the far north seriously. I’m not saying that this is proof that paleo works, but it is proof that the alternate was not working and if the 30bad crowd feels threatened its because people like them failed to listen to and discuss earnest concerns and consequenses of the veg diet and they still don’t have the answers.

      • Sue on October 12, 2010 at 18:22

        Stupid naturopath.



    • Nathaniel on October 13, 2010 at 09:34

      In the words of Anthony Bourdain,

      “If you’re slower than me, stupider than me, and you taste good…… Tough shit!”

  24. Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 17:44

    In case anyone is cringing over the clear degredation of intelligent and concise commenting normally found in FTA comment threads, just remember: there’s not much to do with the ridiculous but to ridicule it.

    And that really doesn’t take much.

    • MJ on October 11, 2010 at 19:01

      “childish name calling” at its best. I don’t know, I guess that’s not so bad. I mean I’d rather be childlike than oh I don’t know…threatning. Seriously, and I quote “If you look at the comments section, you can see what idiots they are” …that is not peace and love Mr.

  25. Kurt G Harris MD on October 11, 2010 at 17:48

    Jason’s favorite book is “The Secret”. This is a book that, literally, claims you can get anything you want by just wishing for it hard enough. Conversely, if something bad happens to you, like getting cancer, it is because you were “not thinking positively enough”. The most abjectly stupid and actually, evil, belief system I could imagine.

    I’ll stick with my theory on the ontological status of 30 BAD. It is the dietary equivalent of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • kenp on October 11, 2010 at 21:07

      My thoughts exactly. I live in Portland, OR-home to a big Veg*n, veg crowd along with the “manifest and it will come” tools. I’ll go eat some pork shoulder and get my ass to work for my manifestation.

      On another point, my last GF was most broken up after we split about her prospects of finding “another actual man” in Portland amongst all the scrawny hipster Veg*ns.

      Bring it, banana munchers!

      • Elysa on October 12, 2010 at 07:04

        Ken,

        I’ll see her Veggie/vegan “men” and raise her Seattle’s techie/Aspie crowd, our high finance sleazebags who lost it all during the recession and all of our swinging, single senior citizens.



    • Jeff on October 12, 2010 at 04:28

      I will disagree with you on one point. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes sense. The Vegans don’t.

    • Emily Deans MD on October 13, 2010 at 17:58

      It worked for Tinkerbell!

  26. R Dunn on October 11, 2010 at 18:12

    More?

    There once was a Vegan Named Dave
    He kept Animals inside his Cave
    When it came Time to Eat
    He could only find Meat
    But think of the Brain Cells he Saved.

    There once was a Vegan named Jerry
    He wondered why Peaches are Hairy
    He ate one with a Pit
    It came out in his Shit
    The next time he’s gonna do Dairy

    ???

    • TandooriChicken on October 12, 2010 at 10:22

      There once was “carnivorous madness!”
      The source of all vegan sadness
      30 bananas a day
      Made them all waste away…

      I win. 😀 Time for some bacon.

  27. Nathaniel on October 11, 2010 at 18:34

    Richard, we need “Carnivorous Madness” T-shirts!

  28. John Troll on October 11, 2010 at 18:37

    This is pointless and there is nothing to gain from playing armchair warriors. Hey man I pretty much stopped subscribing to all the Paleo blogs but yours. Last week Mark blue eyes guy posted a bunch of fat asses doing stupid moves on youtube and that was enough for me to leave his work forever. Well I had left Paleo Solution wolf and the box dude after he showed his green liquid on TV and how to climb wood in his indoor box, before. The twitter feed of the french guy has a self-help load that can only be handled by american wives who watch tv on the afternoon. If you keep fighting the vegans and the China Study there will be nothing interesting to learn from this domain. Let’s get back to the meat dishes and other interesting stuff, all right?

    Cheers,

    Troll

    • Richard Nikoley on October 11, 2010 at 19:02

      Ok, I gotta ask: box dude?

      • John Troll on October 11, 2010 at 19:14

        some crossfit hack with paleo legos. Canadian. Strength in a box or something like that.
        All these people are nice, nothing to gain from being a jokester, but unfortunately what I said is true: check the youtube video, then see how positive les français can be (he reminds me of Patrick Swayze in Donnie Darko, RIP) and then see the box dude teaching a canadian MD to climb a log in his crossfit hack. It is not me. This is in the interweb. You can navigate and see for yourself the paleo movement.

        There’s gotta more brains in this thing or some video production.

        Peace out



  29. Bill Strahan on October 11, 2010 at 19:44

    I said in a post of my own a long time ago that you can’t educate the unwilling…but you can make fun of them. It’s great fun watching that attitude being taken to heart.

    Carnevangelism isn’t your style, Richard, but if just one of those vegetardians ends up saved from their self-destruction then it’s all worth it. Hell, even if no one is saved, it was well worth it. :)Keep ’em coming.

  30. jr on October 11, 2010 at 19:50

    there is something to be said for carnivore madness..

  31. Todd on October 11, 2010 at 21:10

    Mike Meyers ought to be getting royalty cheques for these clowns parodying his Dr. Evil and gang of hopeless criminals from Austin Powers. Better watch out, they are coming for your mojo!

  32. R Dunn on October 12, 2010 at 11:17

    The meat should be fine. The Wholefoods experience might have changed.
    Prepare yourself by checking out this post by Jimmy Moore.

    Whole Foods Stores Adding A ‘Healthy Eating Specialist’ To Promote Plant-Based Diets To Customers –

    • TandooriChicken on October 12, 2010 at 15:01

      The Whole Foods over here in mid-city LA is decent with that. Yeah, the only samples they give out are “veggie ground meat” but no one tries to sell you the low-fat vegetarian kool-aid unless you ask for it. And the meat case is pretty diverse, I’ve seen goat and venison occasionally make the rounds.

  33. AndrewS on October 11, 2010 at 21:33

    “I say we get in there and really put out the info” – sounds like Vegan Guy thinks that “truth” is a sound bite that you get from a Guru, and that what *we* need to do is to stop thinking and just believe everything said by the guy with the (steenkin) badge.

    Yes, our comments are light-hearted fun. I go to comments for amusement in my free time. The meat is in the posts, from Richard and Peter and Kurt and Stephan …. “Truth” is not something said offhand by some internet stranger in the comments thread; truth is the data and analysis that we see in the great posts.

    • bob r on October 12, 2010 at 12:01

      “The meat is in the posts, from Richard and Peter and Kurt and Stephan …. “Truth” is not something said offhand by some internet stranger in the comments thread; truth is the data and analysis that we see in the great posts.”

      Decidedly _not_ correct. There are often comments that stand as “good reading” or “great insight” all on their own. An example from Richard’s previous post is this comment from R. Dunn. _That_ was worth reading.

      Yes, the comments are frequently good for amusement, but you’ll often also find some real jewels.

      • CPM on October 12, 2010 at 13:01

        “An example from Richard’s previous post is this comment from R. Dunn. _That_ was worth reading.”

        I thought for sure you were going to link to R. Dunn’s comment about fighting them with limericks. “I say we fight ‘em with limericks” still makes me laugh.

        Speaking of comments, some of the ones on this linked article are pretty good (though you need to at least scan the article first to get the gist of it.):
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/sep/24/1



  34. Michael on October 11, 2010 at 22:25

    These people – the militant vegetarians – are just so odd. They want to waste their time here, where they believe (incorrectly) that they have nothing to learn, and to cap it all they overdramatize their own peculiar fascination with this blog.

    It’s odd enough having this thing about meat in the first place. They’re just too *precious* to eat meat, aren’t they?

    Maybe this revulsion towards meat is something to do with the Cartesian mindset.

    Sexual revulsion certainly seems to be linked with the Cartesian mindset. It’s there in Beckett:

    “Thus the slime of the other, which defiles the Cartesian self is (speaking not philosophically but in terms of the real state of mind conveyed) the slime of the vagina.”

    AFAIK, you don’t get sexual revulsion either among hunter-gatherers.

    Maybe revulsion against meat has something “Cartesian” about it, too.

    The next time I read of someone getting the heeby jeebies over the thought of a normal dinner I shall probably be driven irresistibly to think of Beckett.

  35. Sue on October 11, 2010 at 23:10

    I was looking at some of the photos on 30Bananas. The guys especially look terrible – very scrawny, no chest. Totally gross. The females look a bit better. Men are meant to have a chest and look strong not like a bunch of stick-men. I was listening to an audio by Philip McCluskey who lost a lot of weight as a vegan. He talked about how men can start losing bulk, particularly in their chest.

    • kenp on October 12, 2010 at 11:29

      Sue,
      I ran my first marathon in ’99 as a ( mostly) vegetarian and despite a rather mesomorphic build, lost 15 pounds of muscle in the process of training for and running it. And got fat. Lost my big chest and back muscle and get a spare tire and big legs.
      2nd marathon I ran 5 years later as a meat eater, lost no muscle and recovered in less than a day.
      Done with distance running, doing hard 3-5 mile trail runs and sprints occasionally.

      • Sue on October 12, 2010 at 18:08

        Glad you saw the light!



  36. Felix on October 12, 2010 at 00:26

    Dude, you don’t have a chance. Since he knows “The Secret”, he will visualize your blog out of existence. Really, you couldn’t make this shit up if you tried.

  37. Dimitris on October 12, 2010 at 00:34

    “30 new diabetics a day” The low fat, high vibe lifestyle …………………..

  38. Pam Maltzman on October 12, 2010 at 00:59

    Tonight in Wal-Mart, I was the customer behind a young woman with bleached-blonde, two-tone hair (looked like crap and just plain unhealthy). I overheard her telling the cashier that she had bald spots.

    Now, had she been in good health, she should have had a head of hair that looked great without doing very much to it… but–yikes–she was a vegetarian who was starting to eat fish.

    The cashier told her to take fish oil for the EFAs. When I got up to the cashier, I told him that she needed more protein and fat, and to eat all sorts of good fats like coconut oil, fish oil, eggs, etc.

  39. Pam Maltzman on October 12, 2010 at 01:03

    Also told the cashier that lions start eating and digesting their food while it’s still kicking, and that humans were the only ones who got squeamish about killing other animals for food.

    I’m not for torturing animals for fun, profit, or even food, and I can melt at the site of a cute baby animal with the best of them, but WE are at the top of the food chain, not them. If someone’s going to get eaten for food, it’s not going to be me–at least not while I’m still alive.

    • Elysa on October 12, 2010 at 18:56

      Pam,

      So, so true about how unhealthy some of the vegetarians look…I’ve got two women who come into my store on a regular basis, one a vegetarian cookbook author of some reknown, the other a juicing expert and author. The cookbook author looks the worst…dry brittle hair (not processed), teeth and gums don’t appear healthy, and her skin is downright gray. The other one looks okay at first glance, but her skin is dull (not glowing, as she claims in her books) and she appears to be skinny fat. She’s a very attractive woman, but she could be so much better with some protein and fat!!!

      • jon w on October 13, 2010 at 23:17

        I gotta add to this. Working near Hilo Hawaii this month, home of a significant number of hippies and vegans, but also some badass wild pig hunters and some of the cheapest grassfed beef you can get… went into the supermarket after work for some beef liver and steak, then sat at the picnic table in front of the “organic vegan” store, sliced up some garlic and ate the whole mess raw. Got some stink eye looks but nobody commented. What can they say? The environment? This is a local animal that ate local grass. Health? These people look like Aids patients. I think I’ll do this again, it’s a good icebreaker.



  40. Space on October 12, 2010 at 01:39

    Hello Richard,
    I usually don’t completly agree with you when you use strong language against other fanatics, just because some of them will tell that you’re one too.
    But in this case it is really funny.

    Vegans-vegeterians are soooo blindly dogmatic it’s insane.
    I mean, they should at least recognise to the Paleo-Primal community the fact that we are strongly pleading in favour of eating a lot of natural plants and vegetables.
    But NO, their dogmatism is more important than everything, specially tto he fact that our proposal is so much healthier than the standard American diet.

    Anyway, even if i don’t believe in authoritative arguments, i can tell you I have a PhD in Law obtained after 10 years of studies and research at the best Universities of the European Union. All my research in the health nutrition field brings to the same conclusions as the ones you speak about in your blog.

    Anyway, I try to eat paleo most of the time but I’m certainly not strict about it. One thing is certain, I’m healthier, stronger, and with more energy than ever partly thanks to your blog.
    So keep it up my friend.

  41. CPM on October 12, 2010 at 06:05

    Jason’s latest comments make me wonder if he is not really a sock-puppet:

    “I guess these paranoid nutballs think I am planning to hack their blog! I do have the skills to do that, being a registered computer technician…”

    “I get all I need to know from his name [Ishmael], which is obviously a Moslem name, and he is accusing us vegans of being religious??? Well my friend, it is your ancient religion of war that tells you to slaughter and eat the flesh of innocent animals, and I won’t even mention what it says about the treatment of womyn.”

    • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 07:13

      Oh noes!

      Not just a computer rchnician, but a ” registered” computer technician…

      Now our goose is cooked.

      Jesus, you really CAN’T make this stuff up.

      • Logan on October 12, 2010 at 07:47

        “Now our goose is cooked”

        Now that phrase is bound to stir them up. More of your carnivorous madness, thoughtlessly brutal even in your off-hand remarks.



      • bob r on October 12, 2010 at 12:09

        That’s been updated; now it reads “…a former IT professional…”.

        Since he’s a “professional”, I’m sure the goose will be tasty when he’s done.



      • Jonathan on October 13, 2010 at 08:12

        Yeah. Who “registers” computer techs? Former pro? Richard, your site isn’t hosted on NT4 is it?



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 09:20

        No, big server farm, apache servers if Im not mistaken. I pay for the best security. Hell, even I can’t edit WP templates from within WP. Has to be done locally and then uploaded via FTP. I doubt anything short of a coordinated DoS attack could accomplish anything.

        I loved the schoolyard “I could but I won’t” drivel. But I guess he’s used to people with schoolyard mentalities.



  42. John Nugent on October 12, 2010 at 07:53

    Why does anyone think they have the right to attack our lifetsyle beliefs?

    EF/paleo is saving lives. Period.

    I have no problem with Jason Gibbons other than to say that he should learn to live and let live.

    But really – 30 bananas a day? You’d be shitting for a week! And looking at Jason’s photo, he does not look well at all.

  43. Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 08:01

    Alright, everyone ease up on Jason.

    “It is ludacrist!”

    🙂

    • Jorge on October 12, 2010 at 11:50
    • VeganWarrior on October 12, 2010 at 09:35

      I’m sorry that the guy’s feelings are hurt.

      You guys do know that these extreme, militant vegans are not necessarily a full and fair representation of the larger group, right? Maybe they comprise a fairly large portion of the entire group, but they ain’t the whole thing. Trust me.

      I personally don’t give a shit what a person eats, particularly if it helps him/her feel great and such.

    • Sarah Madden on October 13, 2010 at 08:34

      OMG, the nerve, first he says he is going to attack this site and then goes home crying to his mama when you don’t roll over. Poor little baby.

    • Sarah Madden on October 13, 2010 at 08:38

      A rare moment of sanity from a commenter on that link:

      “Meat eaters just wanna keep eating meat, lots of meat, without anyone preaching to them. Like trying to take a meaty bone away from a dog. …Don’t try and teach them a lesson. Let it go.”

      Hee hee hee!! Damn straight sister.

  44. D on October 12, 2010 at 09:25

    His response is pretty funny, thinking just because someone eats meat, they are automatically violent.

    “And now, I can’t even do that, because my partner won’t let me even visit the site anymore for fear that one of these meat-heads will get my IP address through my proxy and backtrace us! I keep telling him these meat-heads are too dull to be able to do something like that, but he is afraid these people could be capable of physically harming us, given the belligerence they have demonstrated on their forum, and I am not sure he is so far off.”

    • VeganWarrior on October 12, 2010 at 09:37

      That was actually the part of his article where I started feeling sorry for him. He’s delusional if he thinks that someone is going to somehow track him down by his IP.

      • Khrystyna on October 12, 2010 at 10:15

        Maybe he’s just being s shitser and is trying to rile everyone up into thinking we’re a violent bunch to get some more drama out of the situation? How big does he think the US actually is I wonder? That one of us could just casually pop by on our lunch breaks to beat the crap out of him??



    • Khrystyna on October 12, 2010 at 10:17

      Ha ha ha omfg he actually says in the like first paragraphy of his ‘official response’ that he’s been drug free for seven years, is that supposed to sound good?? Oh and we’re ominvores dumbass.

    • Khrystyna on October 12, 2010 at 10:19

      Ba ha ha ha ha I can’t take any more I’m gonna break my funny bone…

      “The only comment that was slightly not offensive was one comparing me to a Van Halen cover band, because I do like Van Halen. But then some snide jerk ruined that by saying that I looked like I should be in Toto!”

    • Khrystyna on October 12, 2010 at 10:23

      How the hell did he manage to associate meat eating with men raping women?? That is obscenely offensive.

      • Alex on October 12, 2010 at 10:50

        Hippy new-agers with heads full of malnourished mush are an endless font of delusional idiocy.



    • Alex on October 12, 2010 at 11:14

      “thinking just because someone eats meat, they are automatically violent.”

      It makes perfect sense to me. Lately, I’ve been getting most of my meat from the local Amish, and as everybody knows, the Amish are warriors notorious for their extreme violence and aggression. It’s not well known, but Hitler, Attila the Hun, and Genghis Khan were all Amish.

      • Elysa on October 12, 2010 at 19:00

        I knew there was something sketchy about the Amish…thanks for clearing that up.



    • Paul C on October 12, 2010 at 16:54

      The funniest part to me was The Fruititionist comments at the bottom, explaining why she censored his post, as if he were a child.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 17:43

        Children leading children, I guess. search Freelee 3o bananas on YTube and watch the one result I got. I have to say, first of all it’s not all bad. There is a weird connection I feel in one sense but that’s so overshadowed buy all these emaciated and weak people, particularly the older ones and not to mention the pot bellies, though in fairness one does not know when the embarked on this ultimately fool’s journey

        I may bog this because it’s very interesting. Points of note: watch how much time, attention and energy is put into eating. Than, lagh at the “workouts.” mere mention of the term from the scranny fellow borough up a belly laugh.

        I’ll be 50 in January and I went 295 x 5 and then 265 x 6 in dead lifts, today. 305 next week. Then I did some standing presses (no bump cheating) at 115 for 7′ 20 pound weighted chins, cable rows at 220 and a finish off close grip pulldown at 160 for 6.

        “Workout?” Must be “carnivore maddness!” (never forget the exclamation point)



      • Sue on October 12, 2010 at 18:15

        Ooh that Freelee irks me. Did you see her chubby pics and now she is skinny. I find her really dumb.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 19:59

        Some things go without saying. Don’t know enough about her bu my guess ismthat if she’s living on bare subsistence sugar (fruit), she’s mnot taking in meat or mother protein in secret,then her current hotness is simply a snapshot in time.

        Paleo is about not only a lifelong sustsinablemlifestyle, but rejuvenating, as in my personal case having begun in my late 40s.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 20:00

        Again, iPad keyboard.



      • kenp on October 12, 2010 at 20:01

        Hot and condescending is no way to go through life, fruit bat.
        anyone who uses the word juicy to describe “energy” deserves to be drown in a vat of mule spit.



      • Paul C on October 12, 2010 at 21:04

        Three remarkable Freelee observations after scanning some Google results:

        1. Freelee is hot

        And two other things I don’t remember.



      • Sue on October 12, 2010 at 22:38

        LOL!
        Have you seen this pic of Freelee?
        http://www.30bananasaday.com/photo/sexing-up-811?context=user&id=2684079%3APhoto%3A87930&xg_pw=&page=1#comments
        When I went to look on her blog it said something about site maintenance – and this picture of her popped up and there was a note about the mentoring she is doing (people are actually asking for her advice!). What kind of mentoring?



      • Janice on October 13, 2010 at 03:33

        Her boobies are fake. She’s admitted to breast implants. So they may look fabulous, but they are bought and paid for, and not a result of all that fruit.



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 10:33

        I was a touch suspicious of them alright, you don’t often get girls who are really skinny BUT with giant jugs aunatural. I’m suprised someone so concerned with their personal health and wellbeing would put their body through the stress of unecessary surgery like that out of sheer vanity alone. I saw footage of it, it’s really nasty stuff, they’re so rough!



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 10:34

        Link?



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 10:37

        Sorry that was meant for Sue, couldn’t see how to delete it!



      • TandooriChicken on October 13, 2010 at 00:29

        Oh god, just saw the raw vegan retreat vid. You know, my first thought was, this could as well be a paleo cookout. I started zoning out half way through and half expected them to unearth a large boar, luau style.

        Then when they started talking about “workouts” I about lost it. I might have even been crying, but that could have just been from the onion in my bison/bacon chili. Which, by the way, was a success!



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 02:59

        Is it the Australian retreat video you’re thinking of Richard?



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 03:00

        OMFG! Maybe she’s the reason they can’t understand that a woman can be both hot and intelligent?



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 07:24

        Yep, the retreat. Just like apes, they appear to spend ever waking moment think about and eating food. I suppose that with an all fruit diet that’s what you gotta do.



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 10:42

        Even when I was a vegan I’m sure I would have found a retreat like that to be a real bore, christ they all look so emaciated and dull. They can’t even seem to come up with a bit of craic between the lot of them for the video to make it look like it was fun. Lame.



    • Dave Astle on October 14, 2010 at 18:38

      So in one paragraph, he claims to be an IT professional who could easily bring down this blog if he wanted to, and in the next, he expresses concern that someone from here could use his IP address to find him? Anyone capable of actually hacking this blog should easily be able to keep their identity hidden.

  45. kevhughes on October 12, 2010 at 09:26

    Elisabeth…thanks for the link to the Bourdain video. It looks like Anthony’s friends have had a little too much exposure to the SAD though.

    Nice shot from a moving boat to bag that seal.

  46. John on October 12, 2010 at 09:40

    fragile, It must be Itallian
    HA

  47. D on October 12, 2010 at 09:46

    If you really want to laugh…..

    I posted something awhile back about this group and how they went nuts on Anthony Anderson aka raw model, after his decision to add kefir to his diet.

    Here is the original post from DURIANRIDER

    http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/raw-model-becomes-egg-and-goat?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A229007

    • Sue on October 12, 2010 at 18:18

      Durianrider is Freelee’s boyfriend I believe. He is such a tosser. Blood loser Australians – give us Aussies a bad name.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 20:04

        So Sue, is ‘tosser’ the Assie equivalent of the Englosh ‘wanker’?



      • Sue on October 12, 2010 at 23:05

        I think its more of a loser. But I have a European background so not 100% sure.
        These definitions are good:
        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tosser

        I like this one, not a tosser but a tosseroonie:
        One who exhibits the classic habits of a tosser but in magnified form. Australian slang peculiar to South-East Queensland. Example

        Quentin is a tosser.
        Yeah, but Roger is a total tosseroonie.
        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tosseroonie



      • Chris on October 12, 2010 at 23:40

        As an English person with lots of Aussie friends, I can confirm that tosser=wanker



      • Sue on October 13, 2010 at 02:15

        Thanks Chris.



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 03:02

        I noticed in his pic he’s doing that think where you tuck your hands in under your pits to make your upper arm muscles bulge out and hence look bigger. He looks like an almighty twat (as we Irish would phrase it) in his profile pic. That one of the fruititionist or whatever licking the book is tragic, really not sexy, well apart from her boobies which are fabulous! 🙂



      • Bushrat on October 14, 2010 at 00:05

        The fact that we adopt the rest of the world’s profanity makes me proud to be Australian.

        loser, tosser, wanker and twat are acceptable words in Australia (listed in terms of inreasing vulgarity).



  48. JLL on October 12, 2010 at 10:27

    Why are these people so worked up about the China Study anyway?

    Is that their bible? Is it their only source of truth? Their only reference for their beliefs? Surely there must be other books that have reached the same (false) conclusion.

  49. Garth Whelan on October 12, 2010 at 10:30

    There needs to be a like button on the comments, there are so many good ones.

  50. Christ on October 12, 2010 at 10:43

    personally it doesn’t matter to me because I only eat rainbows.
    I still think that 30 BAD started as a joke site that took on a life of its own.

  51. Walter on October 12, 2010 at 10:56

    Kurt Harris’ comment inspired me to make this one.

    I was originally attracted to New Age philosophy, because it was superficially empowering. After being involved with it a while, I realized it was dis-empowering. The New Age movement, veganism, the alternative/holistic health movement are intertwined and it is hard to sort them out. If you believe in one, you almost have to believe in the others.

    • gallier2 on October 12, 2010 at 12:37

      Yes, reminds me of some interesting theories that these movements (hippy, new age etc) were started by the PTBs (power that be) to counter the civil rights movements in 60s that were starting to get traction. By providing an alternative steril venue, they managed to deflate the dangers of a real emancipated populace. This make of course only sense if you consider public life to not be exactly like we habitually tend to perceive it (i.e. believing in shadow gouvernment and conspiracies).

    • Joseph on October 12, 2010 at 14:37

      As a former religious fanatic, I see a lot of similarity (good and bad, but mostly bad: I am jaded) between the New Age (as it plays out in real time) and religious fundamentalism. Both see problems coming from “rationality/human nature” (which they experience as the dicta of almighty experts who hurt them) and retreat from these into “irrationality/divine nature” (which they find in the dicta of almighty experts who save them). While they are often right not to trust the one group of experts (who are often frauds), they are usually wrong to trust the other (who are also frauds). The fundamental problem of life (as fanatics such as I was experience it) is one of finding a way to live that does not require too much independence (intellectual, emotional, or physical). But the dice are always loaded against you if you try to base your approach to life on the authority of someone else (no matter how enlightened). In the end, I found I had to break my mental dependence on experts — a really hard thing for me to do as a weak, irrational person — in order to come to grips with the problems (health problems, emotional problems, intellectual problems) I experienced in my personal life. While I am grateful for the freedom I gained from letting go of experts (freedom to think rationally and enjoy good health, among other things), I am also aware of an added burden of responsibility: I realize that my life is mine to lose, that I can no longer pretend to save it by doing what the expert says (reciting the mantra, reading the holy book, eating only bananas, spending two years abroad trying to win converts, whatever). The prospect of self-ownership in a world defined by lies (or maybe better, “half-truths”) can be pretty terrifying. Even as I admire those who can muster the courage to bear it, I cannot despise others who flinch.

      A lot of rambling in the above. Forgive me if it sounds condescending. In the end, we all do what we can, with results that speak for themselves (or don’t, as the case may be).

      • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 15:12

        Interesting, Joseph. Please email me as I want to discuss something with you.

        Yep, I grew up with a Lutheran dad, not very religious family and a Mormon mom, from a well-to-do family who went through the motions but basically lived great. I was ‘blessed’ in the Mormom Temple in Oakland as an infant and later, excommunicated when my immediate family became born agains when I was about 10 or so.

        I always wanted never to give my parents or grandparents a hard time, so was a good, sheltered kid until I left home to go to divinity school. Then I discovered the wonderful world.

        But that was not enough to reject religion. So I was content to be in a back-slided condition. That was until about 1990, where I learned to drop external authorities and go it on my own.

        I’ve never regretted it.



      • anonymous chris on October 12, 2010 at 17:27

        Richard, you are an authority in regards to credit, are you not? Don’t clients seek and purchase your authority?

        Also I find the teasing of that vegan individual a tad bit gratuitous. These are emotionally fragile cultists. Campbell, Ornish, the celebrities who proselytize, they are not only fair game, they need to be exposed as the frauds and hypocrites that they are. But individuals like this 80’s rocker fellow are just confused conformists. Let us spend our energy on the big fish.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 18:33

        I’m going to agree with you, anon chris.

        You are absolutely right that this is a total sideline.

        I am guilty as charged of gross indulgence. That’s about to change as I have a few posts lined up that may be a surpass, along with a long awaited reveal by next week.

        But I’m only human and this sort of shenanigans is very likely to crop up again

        As I said, I just can’t help myself.



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 03:04

        Awww I’ve been really enjoying the shenanigans lately does it have to end?? 🙁



      • Paul C on October 13, 2010 at 08:12

        At the time, he was making threats to be a blog bandit. Now he seems more of a pathetic character trying to please his authorities. It certainly seemed justified in the beginning. Like getting angry at a raccon that turned over your garbage can, but then you see the raccoon is incredibly thin and unhealthy looking, and you have a pang of sympathy.



      • Walter on October 13, 2010 at 11:24

        This is from Dr Eades latest blog post. It pretty well sums up the need to take personal responsibility:

        Let me sum up the take home message with an unrelated story that oddly illustrates the point. When I was taking flying lessons years ago, the tower once told me to cross one runway we were stopped short of and proceed to the next one. I goosed the engine and started across. My instructor pushed on the breaks and stopped us and asked me what I was doing. I said, “The tower told me to proceed to runway 15L.” My instructor said, “Yes, but you didn’t look for traffic coming in on runway 15R (the runway we had to cross) before proceeding. Here’s what you’ve got to learn. If the pilot make a mistake, the pilot dies; if the control tower makes a mistake, the pilot dies. Always check for yourself.”



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 11:34

        it’s interesting Mike put that in there.

        Sunday morning, Bea and I had coffee with Mike & MD as we were in Santa Barbara for a party the night before.

        Mike and I were taking about out very similar tracks towers getting a pilot’s license. That is, many year of bits & pieces of training such that you basically have to start all over.

        We’ve gone beyond solo but neither of us have completed getting the full ticket.

        I speculated that it’s because we both have the instinct that unless you stay current and practiced you should not get the license.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 11:36

        iPad soft typos, again…



      • Bill Strahan on October 13, 2010 at 15:16

        My pestering is going to eventually convince you to never mention flying again, or to finish up and get your license! So, you’ve goaded me into it:

        Just do it! Sure, if you don’t fly often you’re not as safe. But that primarily means you go and you fly until you’re comfortable again before you take passengers. There are legal requirements for that as well, but the legal and practical are different.

        I’ve gone a year (a long, sad year at that) without flying. When the time came, I went and sat in the plane for a half hour reading the manual, thinking it through, etc. Then I went and shot a dozen touch & goes. A couple of weeks and 5-6 hours later I was carrying pax again.

        Obviously this isn’t the case for IFR ops, but for VFR fun-flying, just do it!

        And let us know when you do!



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 16:11

        I’ve done that in the hang glider a few times, a year between flights. Only me at risk, but I know what you mean about preflight reflection.



      • Walter on October 13, 2010 at 11:23

        The holistic health movement has been influenced by Natural Hygiene, which was started by Sylvester Graham and John Harvey Kellogg, both of whom thought that meat causes masturbation (and created Graham Crackers corn flakes to combat it).

        Natural Hygienists blame all health problems on toxins and the cure is to always do more purification.

        This, then, in its ultimate form, leads to you didn’t cure your cancer, because you were thinking toxic thoughts belief that Dr. Harris mentioned above.

        Computer Programmers call this blaming the user i.e. its not a bug its a feature. Its also called blaming the victim.

        Unverifiable methodologies always resort to blaming implementation or a lack of compliance/willpower for failure.



  52. TandooriChicken on October 12, 2010 at 11:01

    Okay, time for an unrelated comment.

    To this day, I’ve never bought meat at a supermarket meat counter… so I’m a little intimidated by it. I’m going to whole foods later today to grab some grass-fed for some chili. Do I just point and grunt?

    And are they usually cool about grinding anything I point to?

    Sorry for the noobiness.

    • kennelmom on October 12, 2010 at 12:00

      I love the meat counter at my Whole Foods. They are GREAT about answering my questions and are very knowledgeable about different meats and how to prepare them. I’ve never had a problem with them cutting/grinding special requests. Plus, they always have a HUGE bag of raw bones for my hounds for a bargain price of .29/lb!

      I also want to add: the banana people are friggin’ crazy.

      • Matt B on October 12, 2010 at 23:36

        Just wanted to comment that when I called the whole foods meat department in San Antonio I asked how much their grass finished beef was per pound. They replied that “there’s no such thing as grass finished.” I proceded to get in an argument with the gentleman for about 5 minutes and realized that I “couldn’t win them all.” And gave up.

        Once I got over my initial shock I spent the next two hours emailing all the grass fed ranchers near San Antonio to get prices and secured beef at half the price that was in fact “grass finished.”



      • Matt B on October 12, 2010 at 23:37

        I should add half the price of the whole foods.



      • TandooriChicken on October 13, 2010 at 00:23

        Uh, I wonder what they’d call bison?



  53. VeganWarrior on October 13, 2010 at 04:11

    Happy Meal experiment. Off-topic but interesting.

    • Monica on October 14, 2010 at 14:02

      Hi VeganWarrior,

      I think this experiment says a lot more about the effects of low water potential on microbial growth than anything. In other words, if you put this meal in a plastic bag and wrapped it up on the kitchen counter, I guarantee you’d see microbial activity pretty quickly. Fungi can hydrolyze rocket fuel and polycarbonate on CDs and DVDs. I have a PhD in mycology and I can guarantee you that given ample water activity, microbes would have no problem digesting a happy meal.

      I’m all for real food, but in my opinion this is just another dumb attempt to smear McDonald’s. When we see the foodie blogger community get worked up over the cups of refined sugar that Starbucks puts in its coffee drinks, we’ll be getting somewhere. Most Starbucks drinks a whole lot unhealthier than a salad from McDonald’s, preservatives or not.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 14, 2010 at 15:56

        Y’know, Monica, I can’t recall when I first saw this deal but it had to be over a year ago and it was just too fishy to me to blog, and now I see it has been resurrected.

        I’ve been replying to a couple of tweets on Twitter with a link to your comment.

        Hey, if anyone wanted to experiment at home, what, just buy a happy meal, seal it in a ziplock and let it sit at room temp?



      • Monica on October 14, 2010 at 16:20

        That would probably work. Someone should do it. Maybe you, Richard? I’m just not a highly visible blogger. I’d be happy to do the experiment, take pics, and have you blog it, though… 🙂

        Ya know, I’ve fished out McDonald’s french fries from my car probably years later and there’s never anything visible growing on them. No big deal. If I took out a couple of pieces of bread and laid them out on my counter I wouldn’t expect anything to grow on them. They’d just get hard as all get out, especially where I live. And that looks not a whole lot different than what’s happened with this Happy Meal. Much different than letting it all sit out at room temp in a baggie. And much different than letting a piece of fruit or a vegetable, which has lots of inoculum already on it from growing outside, along with a plentiful water supply, sit out at room temperature.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 14, 2010 at 16:26

        Yea, I was kinda looking forward to doing an actual scientific experiment.

        So, Ill just go get a meal and video putting it in the bag, having some fun with it, and so on.

        Then, when I publish the final results video I’ll upload it p-word protected, email you, you can give your PhD interpretation, and we make history. 🙂

        Deal?



      • Monica on October 14, 2010 at 16:30

        Sounds like a perfect plan. No PhD interpretation necessary, I don’t think. You live in FL, I’m sure you have plenty of fungal spores floating around down there. 🙂 Just FYI, I recommend some controls. You probably already thought of this. One set at room temp; one in a baggie at room temp, nothing added; one in a baggie with maybe 1/8 c water added. Can’t wait to see the rotten world around us.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 14, 2010 at 16:35

        Great idea. I had budgeted for one happy meal. Guess Ill have to resubmit the grant application, now. 🙂



      • Robert on October 15, 2010 at 05:48

        Wow,

        I would love to see the result of this. It’s an interesting argument and I’m not sure if it’s true or not. I think an experiment with perhaps 3 meals would be the best. One just open in the air as the current one, the second in a plastic bag and the third in a bag with some (clean – i.e poland spring) water added.

        Then make a nice video and send it to Myth Busters.



      • VW on October 15, 2010 at 06:28

        How about the Happy Meals and a Twinkie on the side? The McDonald’s stuff might indeed rot away, but I think the Twinkie might last forever.



      • David Csonka on October 15, 2010 at 07:03

        Yah science!



      • -V on October 15, 2010 at 07:52

        Apparently this meme has piqued others as well:

        http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/10/the-burger-lab-the-myth-of-the-12-year-old-mcdonalds-hamburger.html

        I think his experimental design will only confirm that dried out foods don’t rot but hey…



  54. Laurie D. on October 12, 2010 at 18:20

    There are more Minger Conspiracy theorists posting on Denise Minger’s latest China Study post. Complete with dozens of 🙂 and 🙁 faces. Funny, sad, and a bit scary all at the same time. I am beginning to feel sorry for them. Perhaps I can find some wheat to send their way…

    • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 08:03

      Like I said, Laurie, endless source of comic relief.

      Regarding Betty bananas, I’m thinking God just might have a new gig.

      tedisgod.com

      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 09:01

        Oops, goofed the link.

        http://www.tedisgod.org/



      • Laurie D. on October 13, 2010 at 15:07

        Wow, I don’t even have words for that. Thankfully, I’m not religious because I’d hate to think Ted is in charge. I wonder if he’s met Xenu?



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 15:30

        I probably shouldn’t reveal this but Ted was my dearest friends for several years in the mid 90s. He began as a consulting client who grew into a friend and then a best friend.

        He’s brilliant, or, he was. It’s all very sad to me. But I did see signs way back when. He bulit a pretty good company and I helped him negotiate away some debt during the shrinking, eventually to nothing. It was a software company with more than 3o employees and Ted was a self taught Unix software engineer working for Sun before he went off on his own, and before his family with two daughters disintegrated.

        I had email contact with him maybe 6-7 years ago but it ended up going badly.



      • Laurie D. on October 13, 2010 at 16:30

        I think everyone knows someone like Ted. We have a local person who shows up at every township meeting carrying a flag and going off about something or other. There is a lot of evidence that diet influences schizophrenia and other nervous system disorders. Gluten, in particular, has been linked to schizophrenia. Schizophrenics show high levels of antibodies to gluten.

        http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/6/1/10



      • Elysa on October 13, 2010 at 17:05

        Awww, poor Ted. So sad that it tends to go along with genius.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 17:13

        Indeed, Elysa. I hesitated to make any kind of joke of this, but it has been a long time, and if I go to YTube and search tedisgod or tedjesuschristgod I realize this is simply not the man I knew as a feiend.

        I don’t tink of him very often, but when I do I try to remember him at his best, and amazingly enough, he was a hoot at times.



  55. Devin Holmes on October 12, 2010 at 18:33

    I love this part! —-> “I say we get in there and really put out the info”

    Just what I need. MORE fliers w/ pigs lookin’ at dogs on my car. Man, do they have a propaganda budget! Gee wiz.

  56. Tom on October 12, 2010 at 18:51

    This Jason Gibbens guy is absolutely hilarious. (And his photo could not be more perfect.) He is apparently one of those whackjobs who breaks into universities and “liberates” animals. (Way to confess to a felony on a public blog, Jason!)

    Check out this nugget from this post:

    ….I quit my meaningless job as an IT professional, and headed out into the world to find something that would fulfill my deeper self. I began living with a group of like minded individuals who were also practicing my newfound “fruity” lifestyle, and trying to help our fellow living creatures.

    Sadly, that group was forced to break-up in 2009 when one of the chimps we had rescued escaped from our Nor-Cal farm, and was accused of attacking a dog (I knew this ape very well, and there is no way he would start a fight with any other creature – the local government had been trying to shut us down for years….

    • Nathaniel on October 12, 2010 at 19:08

      That is hilarious and sad. You can’t make this stuff up.

    • Elysa on October 12, 2010 at 19:11

      At least they’re sheltering the animals down there, unlike some of the dumbasses up here in Seattle who just let them out into the street where they then run across the freeway and get run over.

      I’m not kidding. 80s, early 90s IIRC.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 21:18

      Men out to take note that a large male chimpanzee can rip off your entire genital package at will, with one hand, and have been known to do so.

      That’s what eating all day long with a gut to digest it can do for you.

      I just had a steak, huge filet. First and last meal of the day, at 9 pm.

      • Ishmael on October 12, 2010 at 23:27

        If you get a chance you should make a new post (so it has a fresh comment section and we can get the discussion going) about muscle building workouts, and how to best use this diet to build mass. I am eating an incredible amount of food these days (up to three pounds of beef and at least half a dozen eggs, along with huge quantities of vegetables and some fruit), and though I am steadily and consistently getting bigger, while retaining almost zero body fat, I am not bulking up like I’d like to be.

        I’m spending 30-60 minutes in the gym between 4 and 6 days a week, depending on what I’ve got going on, and though I am something of an amateur, I’m working pretty hard (I am exhausted to the point of dizziness at the end of the session). I’m looking at some of your older blogs about gym technique, but I’m staying away from the machines and consistently hitting the free-weights, so I can’t be doing that much wrong. I really don’t know where all this food I am eating is going. I guess it just takes a whole lot of beef to build muscle.

        I am putting on weight a lot faster than the rest of the guys at the gym, with their crappy whey/wheat protein shakes. Guys three times my size are asking me if I’m on steroids, and then when I convince them I’m not, they’re asking me for advice. So it’s possible I am just too ambitious, and need to wait on the results a bit longer.

        You are eating only one meal because you still have fat on your body, I guess? I really don’t see how you could have much, on this diet. But I guess you are twice my age, and I have certainly heard a lot from Mama and Papa about how metabolism changes with age. I don’t see how eating too much can be negative though, if I am not putting on fat.

        Forgive the unorganized nature of this post. Just throwing my thoughts out there. Stream of consciousness.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 07:19

        Good timing.

        Actually, the ‘secret’ program I’m doing will be revealed next Tuesday or Wed. It will be a series on this very thing.

        Until then, think strength, not big.



      • Paul C on October 13, 2010 at 08:23

        Ishmael everything you are describing sounds like perfect slow steady progress. A lot of those guys 3 times your size are not making steady progress, and you are. That is a great thing for you, not something to change, in my opinion. Look at where you will be a year from now, two years from now, with the progress you are making.



      • anonymous chris on October 13, 2010 at 08:53

        Big time, BIG TIME deadlifts, nail the clean and jerk and do some hard core sprints in lieu of one of your weekly weight training sessions. This plus adequate high quality protein is the one recipe that non-drug users have for becoming “yoked”. (and of course sufficient sleep/recuperation)

        My $.02 (I have zero clients btw…)



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 09:29

        ditto on the DLs. The reason Im waiting to spring the info on my program is because it will be accompanied by a video of me doing 305# for reps, 3-5, followed by a second set at 275 with hopefully one more rep than I did on the first.

        Yesterday I pulled 295×5 then 265×6, so I need recovery time.

        About 4-5 months ago I was pulling 185. I turn 50 in January. Would have never seemed possible, but it is.



      • Joseph on October 13, 2010 at 14:05

        I too have gotten the most bang for my proverbial buck from heavy deadlifts (heavy as possible without breaking form, i. e. without painfully straining my back). Done carefully, the exercise builds strength everywhere (and is really fun). I find I personally do best when I go as heavy as possible only ever other week. To date I am consistently able to lock out more than twice my bodyweight (which while not elite is pretty dang good for a pencil-neck with no strength-training credentials apart from years of do-it-yourself practice).



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 15:12

        Yep, another month or so and 20 #” and I’ll be at 2 times body weight. Good for you.



      • kevhughes on October 14, 2010 at 11:20

        Nice progress. Triple bodyweight DL and double bodyweight squats are attainable long term goals, even for persons our age. The curve will begin to flatten out after 6 or 8 months, but imagine looking back after 3 or 4 years. You’ll be a beast.



      • Bushrat on October 14, 2010 at 00:15

        Most ‘expert’ lifters have no realistic idea on fast you could gain muscle. They confuse overall weight gain (i.e a lot of fat with their muscle) and straight muscle gain. Don’t waste your time becoming a fatass.

        I gained about a kilo a week for a while once. I ended up with a beer gut and then lost it all trying to get rid of the gut.

        Take the slow and steady approach.

        Also, Deadlifts are the most fun you can have without another person…and your clothes on.



      • Elysa on October 13, 2010 at 17:08

        Ouchies!!!! Got my legs crossed and I don’t even *have* a package.



    • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 03:09

      It’s both funny and tragic how he says with upmost confidence that he knows that a WILD animal would never react aggressively towards another animal. Especially considering all the stress it would have been under being both ‘freed’ and then escaping by itself. My sheepdog is an absolute lovely with all people, adults and children but I wouldn’t put it past even her to snap or bite someone if the situation was stressful or unusual enough for her to get thoroughly freaked out. Animals are animals and so are always capable of unpredictable behaviour full stop, especially when terrified.

      • Logan on October 13, 2010 at 09:05

        But Khrystyna, he knew that ape very well. He had drinks with it after work. Played softball with it on Sundays, for heaven’s sake.

        It (I keep calling it Mr. Bojangles in my head) was clearly framed by the Carnivorous Madmen, and possibly the corporations behind “Denise Minger.”



      • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 10:28

        LMFAO at that, nearly spilt my tea over ya!



      • Sue on October 13, 2010 at 14:59

        Lucky I wasn’t drinking at the time!



      • Travis on October 13, 2010 at 11:33

        I always get a kick out the mindset that all wild animals are peaceful and somehow humans are flawed and must repent by flogging themselves with a substandard and unnatural diet. I once witnessed two squirrels fighting over territory while out for an evening walk. It was a fierce battle, with squirrel A ripping open the throat of squirrel B at the end. Squirrel B died right before my eyes. I had never seen squirrels act that way toward one another, with such ferocity. I was frozen in place the whole time. I had seen them chase one another, and bark and threaten a lot, but this was new for me. Nature and animals are full of surprises. To assume one can know the full mindset of another wild species is pure arrogance.

        Has this guy ever looked out of his window or even watched birds? Birds get right to the point about what they want and will take it if possible. Has he ever watched a nature program on PBS, BBC, or Discovery? Has he ever heard of the animal called the Wolverine? Amazing ignorance.

        Hey, that’s it, I have a new idea for a reality show based in the US: Amazing Ignorance. Who should host it?



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 11:54

        Not me.

        It would have to be called “Fucking Stupid,” or no deal.



      • Travis on October 13, 2010 at 12:14

        Hee hee, OK, we can calling Fucking Stupid. 🙂



      • Walter on October 13, 2010 at 18:51

        Sometimes when I’m impatient I’ll simply say “that’s not only stupid, its fucking stupid.”



      • Sue on October 17, 2010 at 15:25

        In today’s news in Australia there is a post about US Hiker killed by Mountain Goat:

        “An experienced hiker, Boardman was gored in the thigh while trying to shoo the ram away, according to the news report.”



    • Tommy on October 13, 2010 at 13:05

      I looked at the rest of that post. The funny thing is that he says the Gov has was always asking for permits and stuff. Ya…no shit. Is that to shut you down or maybe they want to just make sure wild animals don’t escape and harm freakin’ dogs….or children? numb nuts. He knew the chimp well and he wouldn’t start fights! That’s priceless.

  57. Tom on October 12, 2010 at 19:39

    Whoops, I misspelled Jason’s name earlier.

    I was referring to Jason Gibbins, the Texas-based wedding videographer. And I hereby apologize to anyone else named Jason Gibbins.

    (And isn’t it odd that a radical anti-beef activist like Jason Gibbins would make his home in Texas, a state where so many jobs depend on ranching?)

  58. Dominic on October 12, 2010 at 19:47

    Richard – you “went to divinity school” and turned out to be a paleo blogger instead of a …? Pretty good. No wonder I keep coming back to your post on a daily basis. I did an undergrad degree in psychology, got a post-graduate degree in theological studies and then a Masters and Ph.D. in Religious Studies. Today I’m a proud paleo atheist. Keep waging the battles against the dogmatists.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 12, 2010 at 21:34

      Proud atheist anarchist (of the fee market, not commie, nihilist variety) going on 20 years.

      • Ishmael on October 12, 2010 at 22:58

        I guess I loosely associate with anarchist concepts as well, but I don’t think they can be linked to any sort of modern economic system, as economics are the foundation of government (one cannot exist without the other). I personally believe the entire concept of economics, and the governmental system which it necessitated, were a very bad idea to begin with.

        I have more complicated and bizarre views about humanity than most people, not really associating with any religion or atheism (or even the concepts of Darwinian evolution), but whatever view a person is coming at this thing from, it is difficult to argue that the modern systems of human life (this technological age) are ideal for human beings.

        I guess the “ideology” most closely resembling my own would be that of “anarcho-primitivism”, though these people are just as dogmatic as any other group which “believes” in something, so I don’t associate with them directly, choosing to work out every aspect of reality on my own, rather than signing up with some group who has laid out a pre-formatted system of thought for me to follow.

        My bottom-line is that people were doing pretty damn good living in tents and hunting and gathering for the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of years before some folks in the Middle East decided we needed to start building massive stone structures for some as yet unexplained reason.

        Of course, such thoughts are rather masturbatory. In order to reclaim such a life, humans would have to completely do away with economics and organized religion (including the new Gaia/”Scientific” religion that most of modern “secular” society has bought into without even knowing it), and then the entirety of civilization would have to collapse completely. Honestly though, with the developments in emerging technology (robotics, genetic engineering, nanotechnology, etc.), civilization may well be headed for such a collapse.

        Anyway, just had to chime in there. Big ideas, these.

        And this is a hilarious post. I want to print out the picture of his face with “carnivorous madness!” written on it to carry around in my wallet to look at whenever I need some cheering up.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 07:14

        I hear ya.

        I no longer associate with the a anarcho capitalist crowd in all it’s various forms either, particularly the consequentialists.

        Anarchy, I’ve come to believe, is simply a state of mind. In other words, I don’t require that society function in a certain way, just that they leave me out of their schemes, in peace, and I’ll guarantee the same.



      • anonymous chris on October 13, 2010 at 09:21

        Richard, I’ll throw-in with the rest who have encouraged you to post more anarcho-libertarian content. I’d argue that your “live and let live” approach only works within certain systems. I’d also argue that if you wish to continue to practice your enlightened individualist-ideology that you’ll also need to at least consider the current path that we are on – i.e. where we are headed. And I’d argue that individuals (especially individuals like yourself) can indeed help change the trajectory of a system.

        What we put into our bodies is important and thank you for doing what you do here at FTA. But this place we live (you and I literally live in the same place) is in the midst of an actual existential crises. If/when the shit REALLY hits the fan, and civil order begins to breakdown, there will be a very painful transition.

        The topic of conjugated linoleic acid, or vegan nimrods, or food porn will all seem very, well trivial when our standard of living, including the potential for physical harm, is very different than what it is today. This is not theoretical. Anarchy (the stereotypical variety) exists all around the world including on this nation’s southern border.

        I guess my criticism of libertarianism is that live-and-let-live only works when your neighbor’s ideology ISN’T, “I’m gonna take all your shit because I can.”



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 09:37

        I just don’t have it in me, anymore, chris.

        From 2003 – 2008 I blogged politics and was active on various boards & forums long before that, going back to Compuserve in 1992.

        All it did was make me fat and unhealthy. Now, I actually influence and help people in concrete ways while getting to toss in bits and pieces of my evolution of thought on topics like religious belief and activism in the political sphere.



      • Ishmael on October 13, 2010 at 13:59

        Richard, this is the best call. Even though I was suggesting in some other comments somewhere that you examine the political aspects of vegetarianism, I believe that is relevant only because it relates directly to the topic at hand.

        Politics is a waste of time. I am twenty-six, and I have been involved in this internet politics business for nearly ten years. Since 9/11. I ran a website with 25k hits per week, spent huge amounts of time on it. It has been educational, and I don’t regret it, but it is no longer for me. It is just so messy and pointless, the whole thing. No one really understands any of this stuff, and they don’t want to. You can talk about Building 7 for ten more goddamn years and we will still be going in the same direction.

        What you are doing here is helping people, now, in real life, in real time. We are not all yet micro-chipped and controlled by central computers. Maybe that will happen, and maybe it won’t, but bitching on the internet isn’t going to stop it from happening. There is no solution here, other than to live our lives, resist and refuse when we can. There is no political solution to a 6,000 year old problem that we have just now realized we have. Voting and protesting is not going to stop emerging technologies, and that is where the heart of this conspiracy lies – far outside of politics.

        So, do what you do man. Life is short, and the best we can do is grab on to what’s real, and enjoy it, and try to do whatever we can to help others do the same. I am presently trying to work out a way to do something similarly beneficial on the internet, because what I was doing before was really just a circle-jerk. The Rothschilds don’t care if you understand the way the World Bank functions. Understanding it doesn’t make it function differently, and it won’t.

        Anyway, all that said, I do think political issues related directly to health should be fair game, if you so choose to engage. For instance, I think that the anti-meat principles and this four-food groups insanity are going to be implemented in this new Obamacare dealie. Everyone here probably understands the concept – they are going to make you have health insurance, and this insurance, under government mandate, is going to determine the way you live your life. Beyond the non-smoking agenda, these people are going to start the big push for state mandated veganism. That will of course be all mingled together with this save the earth bullshit.

        And maybe what I just said isn’t even really relevant to anything. I don’t know. Can’t really fight it, can you? You can bitch, and stock up on ammo, for all the good that’s gonna do you.

        I think we must live in the moment. Life is meant to be enjoyed. And we can’t do that if we’re fat and feel like shit all the time.

        Well, I got a plane to catch.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 14:59

        safe flight, Ishmael.

        Well, the only simple advice I ever offer now is: don’t bother to vote. There’s a bit of a cause / effect reversal implicit in it.

        Most might think or assume that you lower your exposure to the quotidian politician bullshit and as a result, you become disinterested in other facets of the process, such as voting.

        But I’ll submi: try not voting for a couple of cycles (me for over a decade) and see how easy it is to live at peace with yourself, loved ones – and your favorite blog commenters.



      • anonymous chris on October 13, 2010 at 18:01

        Richard! Richard! Richard!

        The civil society that allows you to maintain such a blase attitude is evaporating. From an human perceptive it’s been slow: a few generations. But civil erosion is taking place. And it will result in an environment that is the antithesis of the liberty you espouse and currently enjoy.

        We did not lock our doors growing up! My grandfather left the keys in his pick-up truck when he went to town. These people were the epitome of live-and-let live, deferred gratification, help/invest in your neighbor, etc. That town now has ugly fences around its schools with an armed security presence with metal detectors. The SWAT team has had to be called in because of gang wars. My grandfather carried a rifle to elementary school for target shooting! Things have changed. WHY?

        California is on the road to becoming Detroit writ large. WHY?

        Or is your strategy to simply withdraw into decreasingly smaller and smaller enclaves. Got your eye on the Saratoga foot hills next?

        Our grandchildren will not have the luxury of “dropping out” – there will be no society to withdraw from.

        Tribalism. You talk about religious hypocrisy. Religion is nothing more than a medium for tribalism. Tribalism surrounds us. The history of the world is a history of tribalism. It is genetic! It is EVOLUTION. Not only do we not acknowledge the external tribalism that is engulfing us we willingly bend over backwards to accommodate those whose notions of liberty are fundamentally incompatible with our own. And then spend billions and blood to export “freedom” to the tribes on the other side of the fucking world! “Invade the world – invite the world” as the Paleocons point out.

        Sorry for the rant. I have small children and I worry terribly about their futures. I wish that they could know the community that I had growing up. The sense of trust and obligation between neighbors. A shared sense of responsibility toward each other. The feeling of going outside and being gone all day without anyone worrying. I’m afraid to let the little ones outside and we live in Campbell! It’s more than Vitamin D and organic day-long plyometrics they’re missing out on…



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 18:05

        I hear you, chris, but I have chosen to resign and take my chances.

        In the meantime, I’ll do what I can here.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 18:07

        Oh, and by the way, let me make sure I do not dismiss your astute point about tribalism, the more primitive thing racism is rooted in.



      • gallier2 on October 14, 2010 at 04:33

        Here a link to the new post from Keoni Galt a guy on Hawaii with a more societal political blog. He looks into the meta policy view of the bad advice given in nutrition and medicine.

        http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/10/red-pill-reality-dispelling-blue-pill.html



      • jon w on October 14, 2010 at 10:29

        lately I’m reading “the birth of America.” although densely populated even with farms and cities of 10000 or more, the native americans east of the mississippi lived in a pretty nice state of anarchy. “chief” was just someone respected who got everybody together to talk and make decisions, seemed to have no real authority over the actions of tribe members and certainly no man considered himself subordinate to another. of course there were wars and crimes but as far as death rates go it looks better than the millions dead in “civilized” twentieth century wars. problem was, this lack of political organization made them easy prey for “divide and conquer” tactics of the europeans. Atlantic coast Africa may have been a similar story… the point is anarchy can work and has worked in the past. I thought to compare mobs running through colonial boston, or Indians and homesteaders being forced off “their” frontier land when the king gave it to his cronies, as another form of anarchy… but I just realized it’s not. actually it’s the opposite of anarch – someone with power over other men using it to destroy value, and accumulate wealth (or more power). so, I wonder if there’s a way to get from our hierarchical system to an anarchical way of life of individual freedom, without going through some trouble? not likely, but I guess living as free as possible in a society of tolerant sheep is not a bad deal either. the problem is, there is also guaranteed to be trouble in our system… no empire stands forever, hard as it may be to believe when youre on top of the world.



      • anonymous chris on October 14, 2010 at 12:29

        @ gallier2
        That is a excellent blog – thanks for the tip.



      • Ishmael on October 20, 2010 at 00:09

        Yeah, I totally agree about the voting thing. In fact, I think that when you vote, you are actually consenting to these people ruling over you. You are consenting to be a part of this scam. I have never voted and never pledged allegiance, and I never will.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 20, 2010 at 07:43

        George Carlin on not voting.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk



      • Jeff on October 15, 2010 at 11:32

        I used to be an anarchist, but there were too many rules.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 15, 2010 at 11:42

        You are not wrong about that, Jeff, assuming you’re serious.

        What’s the saying, “if you see the Budah on the path, kill him.”



      • Jeff on October 18, 2010 at 13:15

        I was tongue-in-cheek, yet serious. I’m more of a libertarian of sorts, but get called out by other libertarians all the time, because I don’t believe exactly what they believe.



      • Ishmael on October 20, 2010 at 00:24

        I agree about too many rules, which is why I would never refer to myself by any such label. I have met “political anarchists” in Oregon and Northern California, and they are really a pack of dogmatic douche-bags. Any type of “movement” ends up being about collectivism and consensus building among a group of followers.

        I agree about the Indians as well. Save for the Aztecs and Incas, and some scattered enclaves of more “politicized” tribals, these people generally lived in utter accordance with man’s natural design. Sure, there was the occasional psychopath, who might rape someone’s wife or whatever other kind of crime a person can do when there is no monetary system (seems like most crime, outside of an economic system, would generally be sexual in nature – see if you can think of something else – stealing someones fruit or beads maybe? Seems unlikely), the tribe would either exile him or kill him (the latter normally being preferred by the criminal). Simple enough.

        Think about that issue of crime outside of a monetary system though, when you are considering the workability of (for lack of a better word) “Anarchy”. If you don’t have an economic system, you don’t need a government. Period. There is absolutely no reason for it. If you read serious books about economics (John Stuart Mill, for one), they will tell you that the sole purpose of government is to uphold the economic system – after all of this bullshit we read about different political ideologies and so on, blah blah blah, it really is that simple.



  59. R Dunn on October 13, 2010 at 11:21

    Bummer.

    By now I thought there would have been a flood of finely honed vegan wit and diatribe to engage.

    Maybe they’re having trouble getting organized

    Let me see.

    There’s

    The Peoples Vegan Front.

    The Nanners Vegan Front

    The Peoples Front of Nanners Vegans

    The Nanners Peoples Vegan Front

    The Former Nanners Vegan Backsides

    And others too numerous to mention.

    Come on peoples. Get your act together, We’re waiting.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 11:28

      Yea Dunn, Im a bring it on kinda guy myself.

      But, they have their own forum locked down by membership criteria, so they clearly want to exist in a comfortable echo chamber.

      And they don’t come here, which somewhat confirms that allegation.

      So let me be clear. They are welcome. I may even insist on being nice & cordial to them. Never any guarantees as that sort of thing waxes & wanes with me.

      But I feel so charitable today.

  60. Lenny on October 13, 2010 at 05:44

    Looks like the operation has started…

    I think that whole site is full of people who have some pretty severe and hampering emotional issues – there seem to be quite a few people with histories of eating disorders, for starters (not to mention the negative % body fat on some of them). Veganism is just a new cause for those people to cling to and champion, with what they hope is the support they need to face the world. Man, some of them have crazy sugar-high eyes, that’s fer sure.

    I read on their site that they’re trying to get all the members to tag their blog posts with “raw food” then googling that phrase and clicking on their site in the results list, in an effort to dominate people’s minds: http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/make-30bad-pop-up-for-raw-food

    I was thinking that most people who end up going there would soon be turned off by the 6th-grade writing style and vocabulary contained in most of the posts, but I happened to watch Idiocracy today and realised that it would probably seem normal to most people. So they may succeed in their plan to brainwash everyone after all…

    • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 07:40

      these people are an endless source of comic relief, I’ll give ’em that. Go read all the comments about how they’re clicking through dozens of Google results and not finding 30bad.

      Besides, Google has algorithms in place to detect these sorts of campaigns and just might lower them or eliminate them in the search results altogether.

      • VeganWarrior on October 13, 2010 at 08:10

        Hey there, as a sort of nod to this place (and maybe its influence on me), I went out and got 6 ounces of wild coho salmon yesterday and took it down with my green smoothie. First meat of any kind I’ve had in 4 years. I might even do it again.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 09:15

        Hey, good for you, VW. Not that it matters as your contributions are welcome here. If you like how you feel, then I hope you give it another shot.



    • jon w on October 14, 2010 at 10:32

      but there is some sense over there… “Meat eaters just wanna keep eating meat, lots of meat, without anyone preaching to them. Like trying to take a meaty bone away from a dog. Let them be, and concentrate on yourself, being healthy, and keeping your own sanity. “

  61. fearsclave on October 13, 2010 at 08:39

    I’m tempted to suggest that you keep an eye out for masked Vegans armed with pies, but given that you aren’t a 5’5″ physically challenged woman, I somehow doubt that they’d have the balls to incorporate cayenne-falvoured pies in their “major operation”.

    I’d love to see the video if they were dumb enough to actually try it, though.

  62. Mallory on October 13, 2010 at 08:56

    i think you should do a podcast with a vegan if they think they have such a point to prove….it’d be funnier than any of the comments from their website, i might pee my pants at my office chair

  63. Nathaniel on October 13, 2010 at 09:48

    The more I see from those people at 30BaD, the more I can only feel deeply sorry for them. It must take some deep emotional trauma to be so desperate for guidance in the world that you would join up with a fruit cult. A lot of those people seem very fragile, even damaged, and it depresses me.

    • Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 12:20

      Did you see that poor half starved little kid in the video of the retreat? Now that makes me really damn sad and I don’t even like the little bastards!

      • Sue on October 13, 2010 at 15:05

        That makes me sad too – when the include kids in their madness.



  64. Walter on October 13, 2010 at 11:41

    Somehow, I find myself wait for an elf from ELF (Elven Liberation Front) to show up.

  65. Khrystyna on October 13, 2010 at 12:18

    Sigh, anyone seen the latest drivel from our nutritional expert Durianriader?

    Here: http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/loren-cordain-gets-a-slap-down

    I don’t know how many times one person can refer to the china study as ‘the most comprehensive study ever done on human nutrition’ in one lifetime, and he learnt it from the book sleeve to make matters worse!

    The double face palm comes to mind:

    http://media.photobucket.com/image/double+face+palm/KevlarPaperclip/double-facepalm.jpg

    • Nathaniel on October 13, 2010 at 12:59

      Uh oh, apparently we’ve all forgotten one thing… “that the longest lived and fittest cultures all ate a high carb, low fat diet. ”

      It’s right there, in durianrider’s post. Shit, I totally forgot about that. Well, screw this low-carb Paleo… pass me a banana!

      • Travis on October 13, 2010 at 13:26

        Wow, so all of this science regarding insulin and glucagon is bullshit. I’ve been duped by logic, reason, and data. Waaaaaaah, damn, damn, damn! I’m going home right now to repent and gorge on rice.



      • Paul C on October 14, 2010 at 14:02

        That’s weird. Gary Taubes has an article about centenarians in the latest Discover magazine, and one of the top dogs at an aging study center said the centenarians in his study are only 2% vegetarians. A quote from him, paraphrased a bit: “If you want to live to be 80, eat well and exercise. If you want to live to be 100, have the right parents.”



    • LCforevah on October 13, 2010 at 14:50

      That article is embarrassing. It looks like some junior high school attempt at a first term paper.

      • VeganWarrior on October 13, 2010 at 14:55

        Perhaps, but I sure as hell learned something.

        “One of the most powerful spirits in Innu mythology is Matshishkapeu (translated “fart man”), who can control other spirits by inflicting deadly bouts of constipation upon them.”



  66. Tommy on October 13, 2010 at 15:12

    Ok, I’ll admit I can easily get confused but there is something I don’t get. While I can understand someone being against harming animals or some other similar reason for not eating meat, I can’t seem to wrap my head around the reasoning behind those who claim we aren’t meant to consume meat. Then why do they take supplements to supply the things missing from their diet due to not consuming meat?
    So, humans aren’t supposed to eat meat yet there are things we can only get from animals that you need to supplement if you don’t consume animal products?

    Ok….maybe it’s me.

    • VeganWarrior on October 13, 2010 at 15:17

      The argument goes something like this: Our soil is now depleted, so that we can’t get proper B-12 anymore, but it wasn’t always this way.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 16:19

        OK, VW, but how do you get proper b12? BTW, I have a recent post on this.

        I know how apes get plenty. Do you?



      • VeganWarrior on October 13, 2010 at 16:28

        Me personally?

        With this: http://tinyurl.com/2vftrdk

        It’s something like 17,000 % of the RDA.

        As an aside, I didn’t take in enough at first and developed a very slight deficiency and then upped my intake to that.

        Maybe I’ll start eating meat 2X/week or so. That’ll take care of it.

        And I never gave much credence to the soil depletion line of reasoning.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 16:32

        No, how do primates get an abundance of B12?



      • VW (no longer VeganWarrior) on October 13, 2010 at 16:37

        I’m actually wincing as I provide this link, but here you go:

        And this: http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/animal
        “Non-human primates typically eat small amounts of eggs, insects, and small vertebrates and/or soil (3). Gorillas, possibly the closest to vegan of all the species closely related to humans, eat insects (3, 4) and sometimes feces”



      • Alex on October 13, 2010 at 16:38


      • Lenny on October 13, 2010 at 16:41

        By eating their own crap?



      • VW on October 13, 2010 at 16:43

        I think maybe the crap is from other animals and it’s stuff that’s not washed off any food they may be eating. Just a guess.

        I have a good friend who is a veterinarian at the zoo. I’ll try to remember to ask him.



      • VW on October 13, 2010 at 16:57


      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 17:05

        A+ for honesty. You searched, found and posted the answer even as I was composing, or before Id seen it.

        Looking at follow on co,ments, no, gorillas eat their very own poop, right out of the but while still warm. Elephants will dig huge mounts of shit out of other elephants butsnwith their trunks, to eat.

        Well, at least they know they have to have b12. Vegans ought to be happy there’s supplementation, of course leaving open a huge question, cause supplementation isn’t natural.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 17:07

        Though, I should add, there’s supplementatiionmand then there’s SUPPLEMENTATION.



      • VW on October 13, 2010 at 17:09

        I never thought it was a huge question. I knew going in that this was an artificial diet, in that it didn’t provide every single thing I need.

        The conclusion I reached starting out was that I wouldn’t get enough b-12 no matter how much enriched soymilk I drank. Nevertheless, I didn’t get enough until I started taking the megadoses mentioned above.



      • Laurie D. on October 13, 2010 at 17:11

        Foals will also eat the manure of the mare to populate their guts with the proper bacteria (and possibly B12?).

        People who are gluten intolerant (which is just about everyone) are often B12 deficient. The intestinal villi are damaged enough that it is not absorbed properly. I take B12 sublingual tablets every day.



      • gallier2 on October 13, 2010 at 21:53

        For those who do not believe the elephant and gorilla habits

        http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=elephant%20eat%20shit&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

        http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gorilla+eat+shit&aq=f

        it is quite common. One can try with carnivores and get no results.



      • Tommy on October 14, 2010 at 04:56

        Ahhh yes it makes sense now. I was once in the home of a vegan and noticed their toilet bowl was in the shape of a cereal bowl.



      • Travis on October 14, 2010 at 09:58

        Many people who have celiac or are gluten intolerant have iron absorption problems. Until my wife was properly diagnosed, she had so much trouble with her iron levels. Thankfully, now she’s fine.



      • Nathaniel on October 13, 2010 at 17:29

        VW, if you’re looking to add a small amount of animal product back to your diet, get the most bang for your buck and try eating some grass-fed beef liver once a week. You’ll be covered for B12, and a ton of other nutrients, too.



      • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 20:29

        Beef liver. Nature’s ultimate multiple vitamin. The most nutritionally dense food on the planet.



      • Lenny on October 15, 2010 at 01:17

        That’s what I presumed, but the latest WAPF journal has an article that states, “… liver from poultry contains about half the vitamin A as beef or lamb liver, but may be the best of all the livers with its nice balance of vitamins A, D and K2.”

        http://www.westonaprice.org/childrens-health/2040-sacred-foods-for-exceptionally-healthy-babies-and-parents-too.html



  67. VW (no longer VeganWarrior) on October 13, 2010 at 16:34

    Ah. Don’t they eat insects and such? Hell if I know. Good question.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 13, 2010 at 16:59

      VW.

      All animals manufacture b12 via bacteria in the intestines. Problem is, it’s in the large intestine, too fat along to absorb. Our poop is very high in b12.

      Primates eat their own poop.

      We evolved out of that, and instead., we eat animals who have developed a way to manufacture and absorb b12 in vwr high concentrations, i.e., ruminants. The rumen manufactures a lot of b12 and it goes straight to the liver via the portal vein.

      This is why even many meat eaters have b12 deficiency. People don’t eat organ meats, anymore where, in the Paleolithic, that would have been unheard of.

      • VW on October 13, 2010 at 17:06

        Interesting.

        Maybe I was deficient beforehand and never got it checked.



      • Nathaniel on October 13, 2010 at 17:30

        I posted this above but I’m not sure if you’ll see it… if you’re considering adding back a little meat into your diet for nutrition, get the most bang for your buck and try eating a little beef liver once a week.

        You’ll never worry about B12 again. Nature’s multivitamin.



      • VW on October 14, 2010 at 04:53

        I actually think I am going to try it out. Why not?

        My only memories of eating liver are not good, though. As a kid, I choked some down once at my mom’s insistence. I also remember that one Arthur Fonzarelli wasn’t a big fan of liver.

        Thanks for the tip.



      • gallier2 on October 14, 2010 at 05:06

        If you want to start with liver, try calf or rabbit liver, they taste the best, and be careful to not overcook them. Lightly done in butter with a little salt and pepper, nothing more.
        They don’t need to be raw but if you overcook them, the texture becomes unpleasant (like dry sponge) and it gets bitter (the effect is worse with beef /pork or chicken liver). If you get them right, I guarantee you a near orgasmic experience.



      • LCforevah on October 14, 2010 at 09:43

        VW, my mother was an excellent cook and explained to me the why and how of cooking any animal liver.

        Two major things: It must be very lightly cooked and immediately eaten because if you overcook or wait, it will develop that rubbery texture that everyone finds problematic. A little pink on your liver strips is good.

        Do NOT salt in the pan, wait until it’s served if you like your meat salty–once again, it makes the liver strips tough and rubbery.

        My mother’s recipe:

        1 lb of beef liver cut into fajita strips, set aside.
        1/4 lb bacon cut into 1″ chunks
        1 small red onion
        1 red bell pepper
        1 green bell pepper
        cumin, black pepper, oregano, thyme, to taste
        tablespoon of olive oil, and balsamic vinegar
        or white vinegar for a lighter taste.

        Fry bacon in pan until crispy. Leave bacon and fat
        in pan.
        While bacon is frying, cut veggies into strips and place
        in pan after bacon is crisped.
        Add spices, olive oil and vinegar as veggies are frying,
        and cook until onions are translucent.
        Add liver strips and cook for no more than ten minutes.

        Serve! Will feed two carnivores or four if being used as a side.



      • VW on October 14, 2010 at 09:59

        Thanks to both of you guys.

        I’ll probably try to calf liver first.

        And I’ll probably use that as my guide, LCforevah, minus the bacon. I don’t like bacon, believe it or not. Hell, I’m not sure I’ll like liver, to be honest. Gotta try, though.

        Appreciate the help.



      • LCforevah on October 14, 2010 at 10:08

        VW-Be sure to use a heaping tablespoon of some animal fat like ghee or lard to replace the bacon fat!



      • Lenny on October 15, 2010 at 01:19

        You could try raw liver capsules, although it’s a way more expensive option.



      • Lenny on October 15, 2010 at 01:21

        “Primates eat their own poop.”

        I saw this more than a few times when I was a kid and would visit the local city zoo. My sister and I would go back just to see the act!



      • amanda on October 15, 2010 at 12:38

        i’ve seen this too, but, admittedly it’s hard to judge wild behavior from captive animals. i once watched some bonobos for hours press themselves against the glass, stick their finger down their throats and regurgitate, and then reingest the vomit. over and over and over again, much to kids’ delight and grownups’ shock. this type of behavior has never been observed in the wild, but is common in zoos. i’ve read studies that changing the composition of the food mixture and allowing the primates to forage for more of the day (hiding the food everywhere rather than tossing it a pile) cuts down on the practice.



      • Lenny on October 15, 2010 at 15:53

        “… it’s hard to judge wild behavior from captive animals.”

        Very true… I guess it’s like judging real human behaviour by looking at how prison inmates act.



  68. Janice on October 14, 2010 at 08:42

    The bananas site is pretty scary. There’s a new post up today that recommends woman carry a body fat percentage of 5%. They are saying that body fat in the teens is unhealthy for women.

    5%!!! That can’t be healthy? How does a woman even get to 5% body fat without serious hormone issues?

    • Richard Nikoley on October 14, 2010 at 08:51

      It’s probably in their FAQ: if you carry more than 5% body fat, you’re not eating enough fruit.

      At any rate, they’re full of it. If you watch that retreat video, those people all have BF in the teens and higher, and not because they have a tremendous amount of absolute fat but because they have such a small lean mass.

    • Alex on October 14, 2010 at 16:56

      I forget if it was here or somewhere else, but someone commented that 30bad should be considered a pro-ana site (i.e., pro anorexia), and I thought that’s kinda stretching it, what with their huge caloric intake of fruit. But, if 5% is their idea of ideal healthy body fat, they really are just anorexics who eat a lot of fruit.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 14, 2010 at 16:59

        No, it would be dishonest to label them anorexic. They have no fear od eating or of eating lots of calories and if Im clear, they advocate a pretty moderate to high caloric intake.

        They’re trying to be big gut apes with small guts. Foolhardy, but that’s where the meat is.



      • seyont on October 15, 2010 at 10:10

        I looked up the 30BaD site to see what you guys are talking about. It sure seemed like a spoof on diet sites- the topics and advice are hilarious- but there are far too many links that work.

        For fun, I will dig further to see what the claimed basis for their insanity is. Logic fallacies, I’m guessing, will be in abundance.



  69. Jared on October 14, 2010 at 14:07

    What a drama queen:

    Apparently you made this IT expert not be able to sleep for a two days. And you made him questions humanity.

    He also fears that you’re going to track him down from his ip address and do something violent to him for not eating meat, or something. Or maybe because you eat so much meat you’ve gone mad and spend your time physically assaulting scrawny vegan drama queens.

    • Jared on October 14, 2010 at 14:10

      Just found this link above, sorry.

    • Nathaniel on October 14, 2010 at 14:54

      I laughed at first, but honestly, that guy really depresses me.

  70. LCforevah on October 15, 2010 at 11:10

    K & N, Lierre talks about the attack and aftermath with Jimmy Moore on his podcast

    • Khrystyna on October 16, 2010 at 02:28

      Thanks for that LC Forevah!

  71. Cassandra on October 14, 2010 at 22:22

    Have pity and patience with the vegans. As a former vegetarian I understand where they are coming from. It is misguided but the intention is good. They are simply misinformed and very practiced at ignoring the wisdom of their bodies. I recommend The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith- it is written by a former vegan who essentially destroyed her body following a vegan diet. GREAT BOOK. I dare any vegan to read that book.

  72. LCforevah on October 15, 2010 at 08:44

    Cassandra, it seems that they ARE reading it and becoming very upset–to the point that two or three veggie individuals took it upon themselves to throw cayenne laced pies at Lierre Keith’s face at some lecture in No California. Go to Youtube, you’ll find the incident.

    I would like to know when so many of my fellow Americans became so childish that they could plan this thinking that there would be any positive consequences. Coming off as jihadists is just pathetic, and puts in stark relief the fact that they had no valid arguments to support their veggie position.

    One of the not so funny things about the incident is that vegetarian/vegans making a huge issue of being pacifist–so of course, resorting to violence against an opponent makes them look stupid.

  73. Khrystyna on October 15, 2010 at 10:31

    Woa just watched that video of Lierre Keith getting hit with the pies, that was disguisting behaviour. I felt like crying after seeing that it was so incredibly cruel and nasty (and they hit her damn hard too). If something like that happened to me I would be seriously upset. What bullies they are, and then the millitant vegans accuse meat eaters of having violent and aggressive tendencies. Jesus I’m so shocked, I hope someone was on hand to give her a big hug after it 🙁

    • Nathaniel on October 15, 2010 at 10:36

      “What bullies they are, and then the millitant vegans accuse meat eaters of having violent and aggressive tendencies.”

      That is the irony… but I’m sure they think they’re just defending themselves.

  74. R Dunn on October 15, 2010 at 12:59

    Just when I thought it couldn’t get any more “ludicrist.”

    It’s sad and pathetic.

    Well. see fot yourself – http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/death-by-animal-products

    • R Dunn on October 15, 2010 at 13:02

      “for” obviously

    • Nathaniel on October 15, 2010 at 13:11

      That is “ludacrist” indeed. lol.

      What is it with vegans wishing that we could live in a world with no death and no suffering? If only every animal on Earth would just eat bananas, we could all live in the Garden of Eden, and the lion shall lie down with the lamb, and so on and so forth.

      Does anyone else think that the philosophy of veganism expresses a deep existential fear of death?

      And they seem to think that suffering, and death, are not an inevitable part of life. Good luck with that.

      Vegan philosophy is a philosophy of self-delusion and denial.

      • Khrystyna on October 16, 2010 at 02:31

        When I was veggie/vegan it was the treatment the animals were subject to in farming I had a problem with, I would have happily lived on hunted meats if I had had the chance.



    • Passive Observer on October 15, 2010 at 22:26

      “Sometimes I get frustrated, wanting to shout to the world “Please eat some fruit!!!”. I don’t know how to comfort my friend, while I’m just as distraught, knowing that his death was entirely preventable. I’m taking a day to myself today. I believe that i’m going to watch “Avatar”. Though it is only a movie, and a fictional one at that, it is my only hope. It is a a solace to imagine humans living in accordance with nature, respecting the earth while eating natural foods that do not cause death.”

      Has this person actually seen Avatar? One the building scenes was taking down an animal with a a bow. It was definitely in accordance with nature though…

  75. Bushrat on October 15, 2010 at 19:42

    I’ve long suspected their true fear is of life, not death. They are afraid to embrace the world, nature and humanity as they are and instead try and build their fantasies because its easier than living in the real world and accepting that life is not always easy, fair and the meek don’t always come out on top.

  76. Elliot on October 16, 2010 at 09:59

    Jason Gibbins:I guess these paranoid nutballs think I am planning to hack their blog! I do have the skills to do that, being a registered computer technician and having worked in a major corporation’s IT department for almost a decade…so it is well in my power to shut their whole place down if I wanted to, but I don’t want to….

    That reminds me of the kid in seventh grade who told me he knew karate and could do a special kick that would knock me across the cafeteria if I didn’t move from “his” seat. I am so glad I chose to calmly eat my lunch and let that twerp stand there learning what it feels like to get your bluff called in front of a crowd of others you’re desperately trying to impress.

    I particularly like the “registered” qualifier on “computer technician”. We all know that the crackers (criminal “hackers”) best able to defeat security measures must get official certificates when they learn their Internet Fu.

    If he did work in the IT department of a “major corporation”, I’m betting he was a less comedic version of the nerds jammed down in the basement of Reynholm Industries.

    • Khrystyna on October 16, 2010 at 10:13

      Ha I love that show! Moss and Roy are cool really though, I’d hang out with them given the chance :@ If he really was an IT ‘professional’ for a ‘major corporation’ he’s probably have more professionalism (and sense) that to go announcing his plans online with a picture of himself and his rough location up on his profile. He’s like a little kid trying to show off it’s embarassing for his age. He’d make a shit blog terrorist.

  77. […] Oh, and just so you know; yes, that filet was cooked perfectly. Take that, you banana eaters. […]

  78. Khrystyna on October 18, 2010 at 11:24

    I’m not sure if this is really funny or if I’m just a bit sad but it seemed appropriate:

    http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/06/funny-pictures-of-carnivore-confuses-you/

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