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BWVAKTBOOM: Vegan Male Sexual Performance Propaganda

The thing about propaganda as distinct from plain old lying—to my mind at least—is that propaganda techniques are required when the lie is a really big one; like when the truth is the exact 180 degree opposite. So what propaganda seeks to achieve is to set up a suggestion or expectation, and confirmation bias and the placebo effect does the rest.

For example, if it’s drummed into you that Jews are the cause of all your troubles in pre-WWII Germany, then sure enough, as they are driven from their homes and businesses, every up-tick in your life is confirmation of the lie. And then when things get even worse for you over time as war takes hold, you’re convinced things are actually better.

By now probably a lot of you have see the new BWVAKTBOOM (“Boyfriend Went Vegan and Knocked the Bottom out of Me”) campaign launched by PeTA.

For years, women have been open to the physical, emotional, and karmic benefits of veganism. But now, more and more men are discovering the perks of a plant-based diet. More specifically, a dramatic increase in their wang power and sexual stamina.

Unfortunately, the consequences of all this mind-blowing intercourse can often lead to sex injuries such as whiplash, pulled muscles, rug burn, and even a dislocated hip.

Uh, let’s just call me…skeptical. Here’s the video.

I guess this image is indicative of what they wish to portray.

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Uh….m’kay. Moving right along….

Here’s a Yahoo news piece that questions whether the video is “offensive,” makes light of violence against women…you know: the typical hand-wringing, socially conscious clap trap that passes for “news” so often these days.

An actual news piece might have gathered some sources together to speak to the actual veracity of the assertion. So let me help out there, since it didn’t occur to Dylan Stableford to do so. First of all, some Google search suggestions: vegan low libido; vegan male libido…you get the idea. And just a casual stroll through the links ought to be enough to convince you that this is not only an extremely dubious claim on the surface, but that at least anecdotally, appears to be, in reality, the exact opposite.

Hence, the need for the propagandist website and video. Nothing new for PeTA, though, as they—along with the CSPI stunt goons—have been engaged in hyperbole, propaganda, fear mongering and who knows what else for as long as they’ve been around.

And then we have this raw vegan.

Now I didn’t actually watch the entire 8 minutes, but watching about half of it was plenty to note the following:

1. Once he lost his body fat was when his libido crashed, suggesting that there’s probably a honeymoon period while you still have fat stores to burn, and most people have plenty of those.

2. Far from considering it a problem, he actually rationalizes how it’s better.

Another great resource is Rhys Southan, an ex-vegan who writes at letthemeatmeat.com, and among other things, interviews many raw vegans. Searching his site for “sex” brings up the typical stuff. Here’s a quote from a Denise Minger interview.

Raw vegan women are also known for ceasing menstruation. In the scientific world, this is called amenorrhea. In the raw vegan world, this is called “being free from toxins,” because reproductive abilities are a clearly a sign of disease. Raw vegan men are also freed from the shackles of a sex drive and typically experience a libido plunge.

Another good resource is beyondveg.com and here’s site search results for libido.

I suppose the question I have is, are natural born liars drawn disproportionately to a raw vegan diet, does a raw vegan diet lead to brain rot that leads to automatic lying and dishonestly, or is it simply the case that this sort of thing is business as usual for strong ideological movements, especially when science runs counter to their claims?

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119 Comments

  1. Jason Sandeman on February 16, 2012 at 14:06

    Oh, where to start with this shit?

    First off, anyone who
    Thinks the chick in the video even looks like someone who’d be a good lay needs to get their head checked. She looks like a heroin, skanked up, dirty trash bag. Just sayin – I like my women to look like they’ve hit puberty, is all.

    As for the dude, fruitarian? Sigh. “More manageable libido?”

    Not sure if you’ve read the autobiography on Steve Jobs… while he was a visionary, he was also an asshole… and a fruitarian. When I was reading the biography, I could see all sorta of places where had he actually thought logically, he would have seen through the bullshit and propaganda the VEGAN lifestyle promotes.

    I mean, low libido is a benefit? In whose fucking world? WTF would I want to look at a photo of a hot woman, and NOT think about what it would be like to have sex with her? (Sorry – but there is a crass side of most males. LOL)

    Instead, I want to “admire her beauty?” I’ll pass – lest someone mistake me for gay!

    • Elenor on February 16, 2012 at 18:41

      “(Sorry – but there is a crass side of most males. LOL)”

      That’s not crass, it’s masculine… You must be a meat-eater! {wink}



    • Jason Sandeman on February 16, 2012 at 20:45

      LOL. I didn’t say what I was actually thinking, it was WAY more crude. Must be the meat. Perhaps I need more fruit to “control” that out of control libido. LOL



    • Sean on February 17, 2012 at 02:16

      “Instead, I want to “admire her beauty?” I’ll pass – lest someone mistake me for gay!”

      Jason, you Canadian redneck, you forgotsomething.



    • Jason Sandeman on February 17, 2012 at 06:57

      LOL. “Canadian Redneck!” I’ve NEVER been accused of that. Jeez, just ’cause you come from a city that has a rodeo, and you owned a pair of cowboy boots…



    • Sean on February 17, 2012 at 07:55

      That’s a terrible definition, because it would make me a redneck also. I grew up in Albuquerque, and I think being a big city bohy automatically disqualifies me. I never even owned a pick-em-up truck with a shotgun rack.



    • Jason Sandeman on February 17, 2012 at 08:02

      Hey, I’ve never even shot a gun, but the way the Easterners people think out here, if you come from out west, It’s all cowboy boots, gun racks, and REDNECKS.

      I actually had a convo with my SIL, where she was talking about how much better it was to be gay in Montreal, Canada compared to the West of Canada. I asked her why it is that there are suicides out here in Quebec then? Why is the suicide rate so high here? Interesting – since it’s so… “acceptable” to be gay here.

      Honestly, ask someone who is gay – and they will tell you much different. NTTAWWT, but just because it’s Western discrimination vs Eastern discrimination doesn’t make a lick of difference.



    • Jason Sandeman on February 17, 2012 at 12:43

      Nah, we don’t hate Americans. We’re their “good” neighbors. LOL



    • Sean on February 17, 2012 at 09:47

      Well I’ve shot quite a few guns and ridden in plenty of pick-em-up trucks and seen plenty of coyotes, snakes and other varmints even if I preferred to own Alfa Romeos rather than Ford or Chevy pickups.

      So I guess I’m the real redneck, here.

      As far as the east/west Canadian thing goes, I don’t understand why you can’t all join together and hate Americans, jeez isn’t that the one thing you are good at?



    • Sean on February 17, 2012 at 12:37

      I hope I didn’t cross the line there.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 13:16

      You live & love to cross the line. I know who you are.



  2. Adam on February 16, 2012 at 13:32

    I didn’t realize that guys who look like Tom Hanks from the second half of “Philadelphia” were this good in bed!!

    Ugh

    Good to see someone putting their claims to science.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 13:56

      I probably ought to put that pic in the post.



  3. rob on February 16, 2012 at 13:40

    I once rogered a minx with such vigor that I ruptured her spleen.

    • Tyler on February 16, 2012 at 16:26

      Pics or it didn’t happen.



  4. Jarick on February 16, 2012 at 13:46

    Awesome, so natural selection will take care of these people.

    • Cathy on February 17, 2012 at 08:46

      LOL!



  5. Jan on February 16, 2012 at 13:46

    I saw your tweet – I was wondering if you’d found the video.

    Poor guy; I guess I don’t blame him for not just coming out and saying, “Yeah, I really can’t get it up any more…” But yes – when you eat fat your libido increases, you poor slob, because fat helps your body create these lovely little things called “hormones.”

    Sheesh.

    • Jared on February 16, 2012 at 13:58

      fat helps your body create these lovely little things called “hormones.”

      ~ Exactly. That’s the first thing I thought of. Science is so inconvenient for groups like PeTA, though.

      It’s really funny because one of the first things I noticed going paleo (before the better skin, body composition, energy, sleep, etc) was that my libido skyrocketed. And I didn’t really think I had a problem with it. But the way I see it, the more sheep that become vegan, the lower the demand and thus lower price of meat. So, faster pussycat!



  6. Bobbie on February 16, 2012 at 13:48

    ewwww

  7. Alden Tyrell on February 16, 2012 at 13:50

    cholesterol = testosterone.

    next….

  8. justa on February 16, 2012 at 14:07

    The ends justifies the means for these folks. Just think of all the lies they must tell themselves and believe in order to become vegans in the first place. It is a moral issue for them. That will take any logic out of the equation.

  9. Anon on February 16, 2012 at 14:08

    It probably does work as advertised – guy goes vegan, his body realizes it is close to death, then goes wild trying to pass on genes before it is no longer capable of performing.

    • Johnnyv on February 16, 2012 at 19:18

      No it is the fat store burning period where he has enough fat nutrition which is an improvement over the SAD. Until the fat runs out of course then the honeymoon is over as Richard points out.



    • Anon on February 16, 2012 at 20:43

      Exactly. The switch to a vegan diet causes the dramatic increase in libido because the body realizes its supply is cut off, reserves are being depleted, and its only hope for survival is to preferentially use the remaining energy for procreation.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 21:57

      I have to register my deep skepticism of this claim. Fat burning I can buy, experienced the euphoria myself, but some magical I’m dying so spread my seed? Skeptical.



    • Mark Demma on February 17, 2012 at 17:24

      Ironic, in the latter part of the video TheFruitarian makes the same hypothesis: that meat eaters are compelled to procreate because they know they aren’t long for the world because they are so unhealthy.



  10. Emily Deans on February 16, 2012 at 15:00

    Ahh, so lame in so many ways.

  11. Suzy Brown on February 16, 2012 at 15:20

    >>>the question I have is, are natural born liars drawn disproportionately to a raw vegan diet, does a raw vegan diet lead to brain rot that leads to automatic lying and dishonestly, or is it simply the case that this sort of thing is business as usual for strong ideological movements, especially when science runs counter to their claims?<<<

    Having been there, I'll say it's mostly the 2nd, and partly the 3rd.

    Lack of vital nutrients will make you wacky, no doubt about it.

    Studies show that being told that what you believe is wrong generally has the effect of strengthening, not weakening, the beliefs. I don't think liar generally prey on vegans, but some of these people are (loosely speaking) sociopaths, mentally unbalanced, like cult leaders.

  12. Stabby on February 16, 2012 at 15:22

    Let’s not forget that PETA have a big throbbing hard-on (well not really) for soy, and yet, well I don’t know have to remind you, Richard.

    Probably ignorance and soon to be cognitive dissonance. Good show, PETA.

  13. Alex Malovich on February 16, 2012 at 15:22

    Well I find this issue very controversial. The idea of vegan propaganda is ok for me. But I find the ad very disappointing. I was expecting something more inspirational from PETA. Talking about things to increase your libido: I believe that some special diet might help but mostly brain is related to sexual desire. Indeed your diet looks good to me!

    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 15:27

      Vegans and paleos have one strong thing in common: proscriptivness. But thats where it ends. We basically proscribe grains, legumes, sugar, veg/seed oils and they proscribe every and any animals product, even anything that primates and ruminants eat accidentally or purposefully, like bugs and such.



    • Neal Matheson on February 16, 2012 at 22:09

      I would say there is a massive difference between moral and scientific proscriptiveness. It sure ain;t proscriptive to say cocaine isn’t good for you so don’t take it. Whatever shit they come up with to rationalise it veganism is about eating meat being morally bad. Most vegans I know can’t even watch animal documentaries incase an animal gets eaten.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 06:44

      Good point, Neil. I yield.



  14. Skyler Tanner on February 16, 2012 at 15:30

    I’m glad you found this, Richard. I’ve not laughed so hard, nor gotten so many client chuckles, in a long time.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 15:38

      I’m guessing your average client has a bit more musculature than they guy depicted in the image. Feel free to exclude your clients in excess of 75 years of age.



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  16. Kenneth Younger on February 16, 2012 at 16:08

    At the end of the video, the narrator says, “contact blah blah blah, and learn to go vegan safely.”

    I think that says enough.

  17. gharkness on February 16, 2012 at 16:34

    I’m surprised no one has said it yet:

    Ladies, who would you rather have sex with?

    Ornish? Or Nikoley?

    (forgive me DH and Bea…not trying to get personal, but who could escape the comparison?)

    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 17:29

      Beatrice is very used to alll this and hasn’t a thing in the world to worry about.



  18. leo desforges on February 16, 2012 at 17:16

    The frutitarian video is ridiculous. He suggests that obese people have a hyperactive libido (which is bullshit, as obesity increases, sex drive always goes down, as does sexual performance) due to the fact that their “fear of death” drives them to procreate. This is his assertion.
    Really? Overfat people have too much sex drive?
    Do know what fucked up my libido? too much cardio. I raced bikes so much that i stopped wanting sex at all. Nearly broke up my marriage. Now I’m back to weights, occasional cardio and my libido feels normal for the first time in 4 years. My wife is very happy too. Oh yeah, copious “overt fats” too.

  19. leo desforges on February 16, 2012 at 17:20

    One more thing: there is a lot of evidence to suggest that being very very lean decreases libido too. His hyper leanness could be at the root of his diving sex drive, although he mentions numerous times how fatty fruits make him horny at time of ingestion, which just sounds a bit strange.

  20. Mae on February 16, 2012 at 17:32

    The closest to veganism I’ve ever gotten in the bedroom is a bumpy cucumber and a tube of astroglide. It is best not to get carried away though, the vegetable will break down after a few hours of continuous use.

  21. Razwell on February 17, 2012 at 10:04

    Douglas Graham is one of the greatest charlatans in the history of the Internet, and his cult followers are clueless. I can’t stand that guys’ COY smile.

    There are plenty of others too. They are crackpots.

    These fruitarian and other vegan diets can be deadly. Google ” 80/10/10 Diet Warning”

    Here is a great video demonnstrating why:

    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 10:14

      Powerful vid, Raz. Thanks for that. I’m generally a Stossel fan (met him, once), so that was just bonus. I might have to blog it this weekend,



  22. xtrocious on February 16, 2012 at 19:41

    I think there ‘s a good reason why Asian monks are vegetarians…hahah

    They are supposed to be celibates :p

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  24. Hugh Anderson on February 16, 2012 at 19:54

    “A relationship between propaganda and ideology has always existed … ideologies emerge where doctrines are degraded and vulgarized and when an element of belief enters into them” – Jacques Ellul

    Business as usual. I’ve finally been reading my copy of “Propaganda” by Jacques Ellul, which I bought years ago and left unopened, and it reminds me both of vegans and this blog (for worse and for better, respectively). The preface alone contains a dozen gems that I dare say will have you nodding your head violently…then again, you’ve probably already read it? The quote above, for me, sets apart veganism from paleo. The paleo doctrine is all about physical & mental health for humans, something that can be measured somewhat objectively (albeit imperfectly). Veganism as a doctrine starts on much shakier ground – to reduce suffering in the world? That sounds swell but ends up being a completely immeasurable goal, at which point belief enters through the back door; “eating grains causes less suffering, you’ll just have to believe me.”

    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 20:32

      Hugh, I’ve heard of it, not read it.

      I thank my lucky stars that things like this come up from time to time, where I seem to be able to finds my way on my idea of sound principles alone.



  25. Jasen on February 16, 2012 at 20:22

    One thing I’ve noticed since going Paleo is increaded sex drive! I’m 43 and I get spontaneous wood like I did when I was in my teens. Viva meat! Viva paleo! As far as that chap talking about looking at pictures of hot chicks and appreciating their beauty, I dont’ want to offend anyone so I wont say the G word!

    • Richard Nikoley on February 16, 2012 at 20:34

      Ok, there we go. Let the testimonials of paleo midnight and morning teenage wood begin.



  26. Steve on February 16, 2012 at 21:12

    The fact that women’s groups are up in arms over this is just fucking pathetic, it was a joke and if you can’t take then it appears the joke is on you! As for thinking anybody with a brain will take it seriously, nobody with a brain takes Vegans seriously. I loved the video, funny, funny bullshit, but funny none the less!

    • David Csonka on February 16, 2012 at 22:00

      Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar.



    • John on February 17, 2012 at 08:23

      Sometimes, the smartest people can make huge mistakes and not realize they are on the wrong path because they believe more in their own intelligence than what the evidence actually says. Maybe something along the lines of “Wow, I really feel lousy and have no libido on a Vegan diet. I must be seriously detoxing from all those years of eating poison. It’s great that I feel so miserable!”



    • Leslie on February 17, 2012 at 10:02

      Does Hillary have him on a vegan diet?



    • Galina L. on February 17, 2012 at 18:27

      It would be reasonable to put him on a real Ornish diet while in a White House , and let him loose later, not over-wise.
      Hilary nowadays looks like she would choose a good night sleep over anything else.



  27. Jasen on February 16, 2012 at 21:21

    I don’t know what else to attribute it to Richard. Over the course of my life I have tried lots of “diets”. I did the whole grain raw veggie thing and truthfuly I felt like shit. I always felt hungry on these diets and tired and lethargic. I gave paleo a shot and holy mackerel what a difference. I never feel hungry. IF is a breeze for me. And yea I get horny alot! I’m never going back!

  28. Neal Matheson on February 16, 2012 at 22:29

    A vegetarian friend keeps giving me their stupid vegan propoganda magazine. Its full of shit about libido and articles reassuring men that giving up meat won’t make them less manly. She doesn’t believe me but it’s true that if I were vegetarian magazines like that would make me eat meat. It’embarassingly juvenile stuff.
    Who is this advert for? what is the point of it. Regardless of truth surely environmental or health scare lies will work better. I suppose shit like this is impossible to de-bunk.
    I could go on a lot about monks and vegatarianism but I won’t, suffice it to say that denial (veganism being denial) is expected of holy or religious types. If I had halls full of celibate young men I’d probably find ways of cutting sex drive too.
    Peta are notorious for being a bunch of sexist shits anyhow porn sites etc, but then the organisations seems to be a huge organ of human self hate anyway.

    • John on February 17, 2012 at 07:52

      Neal,

      One thing on marketing… sex ALWAYS sells. Regardless of the truth, I think an ad in this vein is going to be more effective than one that speaks of environmental issues. Plus, it’s edgy-ness is what has people taking. After all, who could prove that eating a piece of fruit instead of a steak saved an acre of rain forest in a different continent, even if it somehow did? But you can make a change in your diet and track how it affects your libido.

      Sadly, the frutarian in the second video has convinced himself that a lower libido is a good thing, when it’s actually a sign of starvation or malnutrition.

      Personally, I eat a paleo diet cause I look and feel better. The idea that it might be more sustainable is kinda nice, and might be a little extra justification for choosing a grass fed steak over a cheaper grain fed one, but honestly, I eat paleo for completely selfish reasons.



  29. Neal Matheson on February 16, 2012 at 22:32

    Like the wonderful nature writer and hunter David Petersen I am fully for the ethical treatment of animals like I suspect the vast majority of people are.
    There is clearly nothing approaching “ehtical behaviour” in that organisation.

  30. Mo on February 16, 2012 at 23:09

    This topic reminds me of a friend from the past I haven’t thought of in years. She was married to a very strictly observant religious man who practiced abstention from meat at certain times of the year. She told me that whenever he resumed eating meat his libido skyrocketed.

  31. Greg on February 17, 2012 at 00:01

    Thanks Richard, this post made my day. I love how the guy in the video has started to believe that an increased sex drive is the result of poor dietary habits and an unhealthy body (who’s buying all that Viagra?). He’s actually convinced himself that the desire to procreate is a sign of a dying or unhealthy organism rather than a healthy one! Hilarious. (Although in some cases this can be true – check out recent research on what bacteria and viruses can make us do as recently reported in the WSJ, ‘Is your cat making you crazy?’-scary). He also looks like he could be in the setting of a Viagra/levitra/etc. ad.

    So, raw veganism makes men limp and women amenorrheic, does that mean they might go the way of the Shakers?

  32. Sean on February 17, 2012 at 03:00

    Notice how the ad is told from a women’s POV. She is loving her new sex-machine boyfriend (who looks like he couldn’t bench press a pair of socks). This isn’t about recruiting men into the vegan movement, it’s about recruiting women whose boyfriends don’t to want to fuck them into the movement and/or getting them to pressure their menfolk to join them in the cult of the soybean.

    I’m 46 and I’ve never been in a relationship where the male sex drive was a problem, even when I was eating more of a crappy diet (lots of beer and bread). I don’t think I’m unusual in this.

    If the sex drops way down in a relationship it is usually due to one or both partners getting fat and unattractive or emotional issues–essentially a loss of respect in one or both partners, often signaling that the relationship is over. There can be other temporary things like stress, children (nature’s little cockblockers), etc.

    I suppose someone must be buying all that Viagra and my guess is it has to be guys over 40 or 45 who are really damaged from years of SAD. I honestly think the male sex drive is pretty hardy and difficult to deflate (sorry) before at least 40 for most males. I certainly find it hard to believe there are a lot of guys under 30 or even 35 who are thinking, gee, that’s what I really need, a stronger sex drive.

    • Sonagi on February 18, 2012 at 08:48

      I interpreted the silly video as promising not just a stronger libido but more importantly more vigorous performance. A strong sexual desire does not necessarily lead to great sex. The woman as receiver of physically rough sex resulting in injury has ZERO appeal for me and probably other women in PETA’s audience. You yourself noted that American women like to brag about their sexual prowess in a way we traditionally associate with men. This ad’s plot featuring a woman “getting it” from a man would turn off women perceiving themselves or wishing to perceive themselves as active sexual partners and not mere recipients or pleasers.

      Would like to know what your wife thinks of the video, Richard.



    • Sean on February 18, 2012 at 10:56

      I think the point was to get so much awesome sex that one has to wear a neck brace. Whether or not it is a misfire, it was definitely aimed at women.

      My feeling is that American woman like to talk about sex a lot more. This isn’t about talking bout sexual prowess, more like trying to show they are hip and not hung up. But when it comes to doing it they actually do tend to be more more hung up on average. But this is just my N=1 experience 😉



    • Sonagi on February 18, 2012 at 17:50

      That particular video and most others at the BWVAKTBOOM website feature a woman narrator but there are two with male narrators. The woman in the featured video is unappealingly skinny to us Paleo types but her face is attractive as are the faces of most of the other women in the videos whereas the men are not only skinny but have ordinary faces. The scrawny bods represent the vegan ideal of physical beauty, judging bymy own N=1, the vegans I knew in real life when I was one.

      While living in Korea, I noticed that Korean billboard ads and commercials which appeared to be aimed at women often featured petite, thin, cute women with ordinary, slightly pudgy men. I wondered if this imbalance in physical attractiveness was an unconscious choice by the an advertising staff that is overwhelmingly male who projected their own ideals onto their womenfolk.

      The PETA ads were probably created by a team comprised of both men and women, but watching the videos, I really see them as appealing to men who want to be perceived as virile partners, not women seeking virile partners. Funny that a man thinks the videos are aimed at women while a woman thinks the videos are aimed at men. Message FAIL either way.



    • Sean on February 20, 2012 at 00:17

      Yeah, you got a point, it could be beer commercial logic there.

      I think they meant this ad to target women to nag their SOs to go vegan, but they screwed up with too much truth-in-advertising by getting a real vegan dude for the role.



  33. Asclepius on February 17, 2012 at 04:10

    In ‘Catching Fire’ Richard Wrangham writes of research has identified a decline in sexual function amongst raw-foodist males.

    He also draws upon the Geissen study from Germany which found that unlike women (vegetarian or otherwise), on cooked diets who ‘rarely fail to menstruate’, female raw-foodists ‘had a lower BMI and that this was associated with partial or total menorrhea’.

    Vegans and raw foodists could only exist in affluent societies where the quality of food available to them is higher than normal, and available outside of season, with little energy exertion required to obtain those calories.

    (I’ve blogged about some of this stuff at http://naturalmessiah.blogspot.com/2010/11/firestarter.html#more)

    I find it strange to think that libido could be raised by veganism or raw foodism as the fires of evolution wouldn’t have lit up to select for this combination.

  34. Lenny on February 17, 2012 at 08:35

    Vegetarianism has gotten a bad rap and frequently misunderstood. It has been practiced for centuries. Leonardo da Vinci, Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein, Budda, George Bernard Shaw, Socrates, Plato, and St. Francis of Assisi were just of few of it’s celebrated proponents. Go visit a slaughter house or did you see the recent picture, a river of blood from a pig slaughter house. ewww! I have practiced vegetarianism for thirty years and feel it doesn’t effect your libido. Lack of interest in your partner probably has more to do with low libido than being a vegetarian. Anyways , people who eat a lot of meat stink. 🙂

    • Jason Sandeman on February 17, 2012 at 08:45

      Boring…

      Been to the abbatoir, when I was an apprentice. Butchered my own meat. Killed my own animals in order to butcher/cook them.
      I can truly say and live the quote: “a respect for food is a respect for life.”

      Now, on the flip side, I have seen the aftermath of a field of wheat after herbicides/pesticides where applied. How is your conscience talk to you if you see the dead rodents that have their lives for your bushel of wheat? Conveniently forgotten – or unseen. Figures.

      Finally, everyone stinks. Read the autobiography of Steve Jobs – a fruitiarian who believed that by being a fruity vegan he didn’t need to wear deodorant or shower as much. Well, he didn’t – because no one wanted to work with him – so he worked alone on the night shift – because he stank of high heaven!
      Fruit pebbles stink too – but it seems only the fruity pebbles think their shot DON’T stink…



    • Tyler on February 17, 2012 at 08:45

      Not only have I visited a slaughter house, I’ve assisted in the slaughter and butchering of several of the animals I’ve eaten. I know some Germans who come with cups and buckets to the slaughter of a pig so that no blood is wasted.

      You’re unintentionally correct: vegetarianism does, indeed, not *effect* your libido.

      And so you end your comment in the way you began it–as nothing more than pathetic diatribe; a sad attempt to justify your undeserved sense of superiority.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 09:02

      If by vegetarian, you mean that you consume some animal products, such as eggs & dairy, as they do in India, then it’s a whole different ball game. You can get all the nutrition you need that way. Toss in a raw oyster or two every week and you’re golden.

      What’s important to understand is that even “vegan” primates and “vegan” ruminants get plenty of nutrition from animals, primarily bugs, worms, grubs, all hightly nutrient dense. Humans are the ONLY vegans on earth that go out of their way to exclude every animal or bug product.



    • Galina L. on February 17, 2012 at 09:46

      Hm, may be vegetarianism could be useful for males who want to think about sex less like the Francis of Assisi or homosexuals like Shaw and Leonardo (I have nothing against, but it used to be a road to trouble) ? Hey, guys, do you think lowering libido in masses will generates more Einsteins? How much does spermatoxicosis affect brains?

      Speaking about myself, rivers of blood (what is wrong with it?) will never divert me from eating my meat and from feeding meat to my husband. I want to say Ewww looking on tofu. At 51 I look good, feel good, with well looking body and face, no pre-menopause hell for me, and I credit paleo for it. I know how others look and feel at my age who eat “healthy diet”, thous who eat “kind diet” suffer even more. I am kind to myself and my family. Before sending my son to a college, I told him to stay away from vegetarians, “Don’t drink too much” was of secondary importance.



    • Rip @ MIPWID on February 17, 2012 at 10:29

      That smell is the shit you’re using for brains.



    • Neal Matheson on February 17, 2012 at 10:45

      In point of fact Buddha was not a vegetarian (as far as is known).



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 10:46

      Then obviously, the big belly was from eating meat.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 10:47

      Interestingly, though, all the statues I recall seeing in Thailand and other southeast Asian places were of a Buddha standing, and lean.



    • Sonagi on February 17, 2012 at 17:50

      As Richard noted, only in China is the Buddha sometimes depicted as tubby. In Korea, Japan, Thailand, and elsewhere, he appears lean with a flat stomach and broad shoulders. No one knows what the Buddha really looked like anyway.



    • Tracy on February 21, 2012 at 06:31

      Tibetan Buddhists (generally) aren’t vegetarians either – nor is the Dalai Lama, according to one of his chefs (who I interviewed for an article a few years ago when DL was visiting my city). They also have lean Buddhas.

      Side note: Tibetan Buddhists can freakin’ PARTY. Got myself invited to a bash after writing that article (my neighbourhood has the largest Tibetan population in Canada) and wow. Just, wow. Best party I’ve ever been to, hands down. (From what I can remember… )



    • Neal Matheson on February 17, 2012 at 10:48

      In addition neither was Plato/Socrates, Socrates merely suggested it might be a good idea



  35. John on February 17, 2012 at 08:39

    The idea that high libido is a sign that you are near death is pretty ridiculous. In Victor Frankl’s “Man’s Search For Meaning,” I recall him saying that no one even thought about sex while they imprisoned in the concentration camp. Libido was non-existent. Everyone needed every last bit of energy to simply survive what were truly horrific conditions. I don’t think libidos were raging during Ancel Keys’ starvation study, either.

  36. d'Artagnan on February 17, 2012 at 09:29

    Well if we do due diligence ,decreased libido means you will be relatively less aroused, less excited by sex there for you would in theory last longer and have more control over your climax.

    Even if your appetite for sex is decreased, there is research suggesting women want sex less often than men so a man that willfully brought himself down to his partners level may get the frequency of sessions or timing better.

    so… longer lasting sex less often my appeal to women? ergo going vegan while decreasing your own desire and pleasure from sex gives you some of the traits of a better lover?

    all that being said I’m not vegan and think high libido is not only a sign of health but the whole purpose of it.

    • Tyler on February 17, 2012 at 09:32

      Would anyone really want a partner who, during sex, didn’t seem to be enjoying themself?
      I would think that women, especially, would be worried that their partners decreased libido even during sex would indicate dissatisfaction or a lack of attraction.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 09:40

      For what’s its worth, I have always had the impression that self-confident, self-assured women have rather a hefty sex drive, even as early as college. For women, there’s all this stupid double standard baggage, somewhat patriarchal culture, Judeo-Christian ethics and the list goes on. Even with guilt involved for various reasons be it religious or cheating on a boyfriend, I’ve experienced many women who will go out of their way to create situations to allow themselves to be pursued, giving in, so a manufactured excuse, I guess.

      Later, in various cultures in Asia, the women were generally just as interested in frequent sex, just without the aforementioned baggage.



    • Sean on February 17, 2012 at 10:46

      My experience is that North American women have a lot of baggage. They go out of their way to talk about sex but they are much more hung-up about actually doing it. At least compared to women in Central Europe. You seem to have had similar experiences in Asia.

      I don’t think one can blame this on the “patriarchy” as there’s a much stronger patriarchal environment here. Judeo-Christian ethics? Plausible, perhaps, but I find it doubtful.

      North American woman in their 20s (along with Brits and Scandinavians) like to boldly talk about sex but they are usually much more intimidated by actually doing it, in my experience.

      My un-PC guess is that this is a by-blow of feminism where women are expected to be just as open about sex as men and even have some sort of locker room mentality about it. This might be true for women over 25 or 30, but is perhaps a forced convention for women under 25, at least back when I was having sex with women under 25.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 10:50

      Yea, Sean.

      What’s most important , at least for me in that time of my life, was that there wasn’t much or any _talk_ about it.



    • Sean on February 17, 2012 at 11:16

      I’ve always preferred to do it first and talk about it later (or even during), but that’s just me.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 13:11

      “Or even during,” while not foreign ground, is still land woth exploration. I do enjoy that most women seem just a bit on the reluctant side, counting 30 years.



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 09:32

      To each his own, d’Artagnan. My 20s and 30s were primarily about seeking out partners to bring up to my level, never about seeking out partners to reduce myself to their level.



  37. Ubermind on February 17, 2012 at 09:41

    I went vegan for two months when I was a young beta. Erections became very unstable.

    Also from days when I was a young single beta – when I ate meat I became more horny and felt urge to watch porn.

    I have been sticking to meat and weightlifting over veganism and yoga since then.

  38. Razwell on February 17, 2012 at 10:19

    You’re more than welcome, Richard 🙂

    Thanks for the great posts which feature great recipes which have helped my own cooking for sure. I learned a lot.

  39. palo on February 17, 2012 at 12:47

    Hey Richard, isn’t paleo sex like the sex by current living prehistoric tribes?

    They have fit toned bodies and romp around naked all the time. Yet seeing each other in the buff does not seem to create arousal. It’s like being in a nudist camp.

    They engage in sex openly without inhibitions and I would venture to assume that in their superb physical condition, frequently.

    Thus, they do not need porno, sex appeal, etc for arousal. They just do it.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 13:21

      Good observations, palo.

      In the end, I do not think all Neolithic is bad or harmful. I quite like the idea of taboo, actually. We are animals and we’re all conditioned.

      The cool thing is coming to the realization that you’re basaically hard wired with the taboos, so it just makes you debauchery more fun and delicious. Thanks, Roman Catholics, et al.



  40. Jesrad on February 17, 2012 at 12:49

    I can’t help but think of the amazing sequence from “Scott Pilgrim V.S. the world” with the third evil-ex-boyfriend having “vegan superpowers”, as in punching through walls and using telekinesis to levitate or handwave away incoming blows, all along with his eyes glowing pure white. It’s all done in such an over-the-top fashion (add to it that the entire subtext of the scene totally ridicules vegans’ poor knowledge of basic biology and nutrition).

    The PETA ad though fails to take advantage of the over-the-top claims : the sad, slow music is deterring, the pain, illness and suffering speech is deterring too, the whole video is counter-productive.

  41. jd on February 17, 2012 at 15:01

    I love this idea this guy promotes that all reproductive urges might be the result of imminent death and the resultant need to procreate due to eating fat. What an idiot.

  42. Lenny on February 17, 2012 at 17:55

    You are all in dire need of blow jobs!

    • Galina L. on February 17, 2012 at 18:34

      Is it your generous offer?



    • Richard Nikoley on February 17, 2012 at 18:48

      I guess that goes in the takes one to know one file, or some silly shit.



  43. Lenny on February 17, 2012 at 18:15

    “I m good at a blow job”. Arrh!!!

  44. Lenny on February 17, 2012 at 18:30

    “If you’re gonna buy me a present, don’t spend more than twenty five bucks, you’ll get a blow job anyway.” 🙂

  45. Robb on February 17, 2012 at 19:01

    A fruitarian would have to schedule sex around bathroom visits.

  46. Lenny on February 17, 2012 at 19:43

    “Everybody! Prepare yourselves. If I seem unreaseonable, impossiable, or crabby, or take out all my frustrations on you these days, forgive me and stand by me. I’m still a good person.”

  47. Muskrat on February 17, 2012 at 21:09

    He DOES sound rather desperate to convince himself, and his audience doesn’t he? 🙂

  48. d'Artagnan on February 18, 2012 at 21:30

    Precisely I just like to look at all the angles.

    And lets face it their target audience is probably 13- 15 year old boys, like all religions” hook em while they’re young”.

  49. Paul Bourret on February 19, 2012 at 12:16

    The raw vegan thing is the funniest thing I’ve heard all week.

    • JoshS on February 20, 2012 at 18:17

      I want to laugh but it’s really just sad. His body language knows he’s talking pure crap and he doesn’t buy it for one second. He looks like he’s going to combust from cognitive dissonance.



  50. Shocked on February 20, 2012 at 11:25

    I found this vegan blog, here’s a case of a woman going almost anorexic on a vegan diet.

    She posted “before and after” pics. She went from curvy and attractive to just stick thin gross.

    http://terileventhalsblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/my-before-and-after-becoming-100-low.html

    Reminds me of that A 100% Raw Vegan “Success” Story.

  51. Shocked on February 20, 2012 at 11:47

    Evidence of why NOT to be vegan. This girl turned from curvy, attractive to a stick thin anorexic.

    Her hair is frizzy and her face… no glow. yet she thinks she’s healthy?!

    I bet most guys think she looks better in the “before” pics rather than “after”.

    http://terileventhalsblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/my-before-and-after-becoming-100-low.html

  52. Tracy on February 21, 2012 at 06:42

    His libido is more ‘stable’ and ‘manageable’? Oh, this poor guy. JoshS said it – you can see the mental gymnastics he’s putting himself through.

    • Galina L. on February 21, 2012 at 07:31

      May be my information is outdated, I am 51 (however I don’t feel myself getting old) and I am with the same guy during last 20 years, but I just can’t imagine any male in his 20 having a sustainability libido problem. The typical issue girls have with guys that age – not getting enough sleep at night because no amount of sex seems to kill their libido. It is even a regular problem for young couples who got married and have children early – husband wants sex, wife wants to collapse into a sleep, tired up by a small child. I can see for such couple a vegetarian diet could be used to limit guy’s sex drive without loosing him to a hot girl free from little rug rats.
      Vegetarianism could be used as a holding strategy. Get yourself a horny guy, engage him in unlimited sex until you are pregnant, turn him into fat lazy guy who is interested mostly in food (because meatless meals are not satiating) and some sex ones a week, and he is yours and your children forever. Continue to feed him whole grains because fat guys could be easily scared into “healthy” lifestyle.



  53. matthew dooley on February 21, 2012 at 16:17

    I noticed the fruitards will lie to cover up the fact their diet is shit. They say “Eat bananas to get a boner!” And if you try to disprove them they will point out how fast their marathon times are. F em

  54. Rhys on February 23, 2012 at 04:05

    This PETA campaign reminds me of a billboard they did in the 1990s. It was a woman in a bikini holding sausages with the tagline: “I Threw a Party but the Cattlemen Couldn’t Come: Eating Meat Can Cause Impotence.” Their explanation was that the high saturated fat content of meat clogged arteries and harmed circulation, thus leading to impotence.

    Specious, sure, but this new campaign doesn’t even offer that much to justify why they believe being vegan would make men sexually insatiable. All the video testimonials on the site take it as a given that this is what happens when men go vegan, and don’t even hint at why that might be.

    It’s an interesting strategy. For most people — I hope — the campaign is an absurdity. It might as well be presenting veganism as a guaranteed ticket to the university or career of your choice without offering any theories explaining why veganism increases your intelligence or talents. On the other hand, some people might find it compelling *because* it doesn’t try to justify its premise. Taking “veganism intensifies male sexual performance” as a given and offering no reasoning to back that up (since there is none that makes any sense) could trick some people into thinking they are out of the loop and somehow missed that widely accepted fact. Especially since, as you pointed out, people are questioning the presentation of the message rather than the truthfulness of its underlying premise.

    It’s a long-shot strategy, but is bound to fool some people and might help counter the stereotype that PETA obviously wants to fight, that veganism isn’t macho.

  55. Lenny on February 25, 2012 at 21:59

    If you wanna eat meat or if you don’t wanna eat meat, it is your choice. Use your common sense, ya know, the good link with the upstairs department, not common. There are those who haven’t got it, those who have it who don’t know it, those who have it who don’t won’t it and then those who live it. Simple.

  56. Lance Strish on February 29, 2012 at 22:56

    Low carb plant based diet beats animal based one in Erectile dysfunction:

    • Richard Nikoley on March 1, 2012 at 15:21

      “Low carb plant based diet beats animal based one in Erectile dysfunction”

      Exactly right, which is why all the specialist frugivores swinging in trees beat out all the generalist, migrating omnivores in survival over eons.

      Oh, wait…

      Everyone has their favorite cherry tree, I guess.



  57. Ron Scott on March 9, 2012 at 02:32

    Hey leave the skinny actor out of this. He’s probably not even a vegan.
    Some of us skinny guys can’t help it. We were born into this frame, and maintain a low weight regardless of diet.

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  59. Jay Thomas on October 17, 2021 at 13:34

    Not only have I visited a slaughter house, I’ve assisted in the slaughter and butchering of several of the animals I’ve eaten. I know some Germans who come with cups and buckets to the slaughter of a pig so that no blood is wasted.

    You’re correct: vegetarianism does, indeed, effect both your testosterone and your libido. Makes you a limp dick in addition to making you a virtue-signalling, pussy-boy wanker.

    And so you end your post in the way you began it–as a righteous rant and prescient wake-up-call to stupid vegans. Both the chicks who’ve no idea what they want but have to be popular, and the pathetic dudes who want to get laid by popular chicks.

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