News: You Read the Blog of a low level narcissist/sociopathic abuser

I’m not sure this book review qualifies, but here it is. Food & Nutrition, purportedly, the “Magazine of the World’s Largest Organization of Food and Nutrition Professionals.” Evidently, they haven’t gotten the memo that they’re not only total fucking failures over 40 years or so, but have likely morphed into the Magazine of the World’s Largest Organization of Pimps & Whores for Advertiser Dollars.

Reviewed by Melissa Joy Dobbins, MS, RD, LDN, CDE

Claims: The author shares his tips for eating, fasting and exercising “as wild humans did for millennia,” including how to embrace your primal cravings for animal fats and fiber-rich plant sources, stop listening to the “experts” and start tuning into the body’s natural signals. This book claims to help readers lose fat, gain muscle and unleash the energy of the animal inside them. He touts paleo power in preventing allergies, diabetes and cancer, and states that it may be possible to cure or at least slow your cancer by eating a low-carb, high-fat diet.

Synopsis of the Diet Plan: Nikoley recommends eating “real food” such as meat, organ meats, poultry, fish and shellfish, vegetables (limit potatoes), some fruits (berries and melons primarily), nuts, fats (lard, tallow, butter, ghee, coconut oil, red palm oil, olive oil), whole fat dairy and heavy cream (preferring “raw” milk if available). Foods to avoid include grain-based products, processed foods, certain fruits, potatoes and vegetable/grain/seed oils such as canola, sunflower, safflower and corn. Nikoley is a proponent of “intermittent fasting,” and recommends exercising for one hour per week, but avoiding cardio because it is “catabolic and makes you hungry.”

Nutritional Pros and Cons: Nikoley admits to having no health credentials or training and that his research consists of what he finds on the Internet. He criticizes mainstream science and health “experts,” stating that “not only is mainstream dietary advice wrong, it is maiming and killing those who follow it.”

Bottom Line: This diet would be very difficult for most people to follow, let alone naturally desire. Based more on science fiction than science fact, Nikoley’s recommendations are misguided and reckless, especially his advice to drink raw milk, which is strictly against FDA and CDC recommendations.

Besides the 22 out of 25, 5-star reviews for my Book on Amazon, a commenter on the Facebook Page of Ancestrialize Me pretty much summed it up—and I’ll just respectfully, and with a solemn nod in his general direction, leave it to Paul Lussier, as my complete response; and thank you, Paul.

To whom it may concern,

On Page 30 of this month’s Food & Nutrition magazine you reviewed Richard Nikoley’s book, “Free the Animal”. In your review, you claimed, “This diet would be very difficult for most people to follow, let alone naturally desire. Based more on science fiction than science fact, nikoley’s recommendations are misguided and reckless…”

Richard’s diet is based on eating real, natural, and unprocessed food. Items occurring in a natural, unprocessed state, such as eggs, meat, poultry, seafood, vegetables, fruits and nuts. These are items which our ancestors have eaten for millions of years, and, by the evidence that we exist today, they were fairly successful eating such foods.

Your statement above implies that you do not believe it is possible to thrive by eating real, natural, and unprocessed food, and therefore, by implication, we would be better to consume a diet consisting of unnatural, processed, and man-made food products. Given that we have approximately 2.5 million years of evidence backing up Richard’s claims, what evidence does Food & Nutrition have to back up its implied claims to the alternative?

Given that a vegetarian diet, which is also a whole, natural, and unprocessed foods diet, are we to now believe that being a vegetarian or vegan is also unhealthy, misguieded, and reckless ? Why would Richard’s diet be considered “misguided and reckless” or “difficult to follow, let alone naturally desire”, yet a vegetarian or vegan diet would be considered healthy and simple to adopt? There’s really only one difference, and that would be Richard’s inclusion of animal-based protiens and fats, to which, biologically, the human body is very naturally and evolutionarily adapted.

Are you really saying that most people would find it difficult to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, or consume a salad with some tuna, or last night’s left-overs for lunch, or have steak, chicken, pot-roast, or roast ham for dinner with a side of carrots, sweet potato, or eggplant? And can you please explain how eating this way is either misguided or reckless? Because I’m at a loss to understand these statements in your review. Most people I know eat as I’ve described on a fairly regular basis, though, not necessarily at every meal.

Thank you for time, I look forward your response, either privately, or in print.

Paul Lussier

But I have a quibble with Melissa Joy Dobbins [lottsa letters, intended to get you to take her on her authority over yours], though. I prefer “dangerous” to “reckless.” Reckless? Please.

Thick skin all around. And I love that, qua base ethic.

Changing gears…

Enough of pussy people, whose great achievement in life is to shout from the rooftops…about how they’ve been “offended”—claiming victimhood as a badge of horror…uh, honor. Steve Hughes ridicules every single one of you types, so I’ll just summon him, via the God of YouTube (pretty much better than any god I was ever indoctrinated with, under fear of eternal torture—and YouTube is tantamount to omniscience to boot).

Now, where might I have seen anything about that, lately? Aww, it’s at the address Evie Dearest resides. She doesn’t like me calling her Evie. But you have to read comments to get that, and see my response. Don’t worry about it. She’ll keep the decent traffic spike if she can, and I’m a sucker for redemption anyway. Read her stuff if you like it.

Apparently, she has some weird crawly thing up her important ass for how I didn’t exactly come clean about Kruse in precisely the exact right way, and giving him a pass for inconsistencies along the way, over that month I supported him generally…it’s a super important deal. Apparently, I should have been doing regular colonoscopies, reporting results to you—my trustworthy readers—who can’t help but hang on my every word. Either that, or actually get through her entire post—which I simply can’t. It’s just fucking boring to me, and it’s about me….Perhaps you can; perhaps it matters to you, and if so, that’s fine.

I’ll just sit around and lament the fact that when you come clean on something…that’s when you open yourself up the worst. I get it. I have no illusions about “important” people like Evie Dearest.

…Interestingly, the comments don’t really go in total to how I somehow botched my mea culpa. What’s far more important is that Evie Dearest seems to have a good number of “important” women commenters; they like to hang out there and get their massages—about how it’s all the fault of all these guys touting paleo and LC, but they’re wrong this way and that way, and by implication, their average important “importantness” is all those guys’ fault.

But again, you’d have to scan through the current 55 comments to get at least a notion of the gist at which I’m getting. I could be wrong. As always, you get to judge for yourself, including me.

But in closing, I have to go all wooo on you. That’s the commenter—and I have no idea her background but it’s implied she’s a medical professional—who tagged me as I report in the title to the post.

Like a true sniveling coward, Nikoley jumps on the Kruse-bashing wagon when his ego no longer sustains electrical jump start thrills by being associated with his (heavily disgraced) name. Kruse has reached such epic levels of public ridicule and unpopularity Nikoley is sustaining narcissistic injury just by being associated with him. This public lambasting of his supposed ex”friend” demonstrates the appalling lack of integrity of Nikoley. The more he attempts to redeem himself, the more he shows what a truly abhorrent individual he is. It’s like watching someone struggle in quicksand. Now we know Nikoley is not only a coward, a misogynist, someone with a profound abusive streak, and a liar (“cunt is a term of endearment!”) but we also know he has no personal integrity and freely snitches/rats on his buddies for personal gains, a turncoat.

Wow, all you readers better beware. Itsthewooo has the woo. And the shit. Don’t you know how to psychoanalyze/deconstruct all in one breath? And she didn’t even have to spend thousands on a private eye to get all dirt on me she could; because, I just give it to everyone openly on my blog.

Who’s the real fool, here? The stupid sucker?

As an aside, not only was her blog recommended to me in a comment thread a while ago, but I remember her from way back in Stephan’s comments at Whole Health Source (I see she’s taken to dissing him too, but not for the same reasons, of course). More.

The respectable thing would be to, like Rob Wolf, and pretty much everyone else, would be to slowly distance yourself from this (crazy nut) person. Make it known you do not agree with their endorsements/statements/claims in a tactful way. No one expects one to be chained to a mentally ill pathological liar for life, but the professional/stable/mature thing would be to slowly, quietly, non-dramatically part ways with them.

Yea, that’s what she would do, because she’s a cunt-head wanker. I’m not. When I’m a fuckhead, I’m a fuckhead, and the only way to quit being a fuckhead is to stop being a fuckhead—NOW. My advice: when you see you’re being a fuckhead, stop being a fuckhead, immediately.

In a follow-on comment—and I did offer to have her send me a bill for the free psychoanalysis.

NPD / antisocial traits seem disturbingly common amongst “paleos” as this silly religious cult emphasizes grandiosity, egocentricity, and has a marked emphasis on disregarding modern society. This is appealing to a narcissistic psychopath, as appealing as the atkins diet is to someone who likes hamburgers and bacon.

Nikoley himself shows classic signs of being a low level narcissist / sociopathic abuser, which may be the very thing that lead him to worship other successful narcissistic / sociopathic icons like Jack Kruse or the character in the Baldwin movie he shamelessly admitted to idolizing.

Oh, sorry, I shamefully idolized Baldwin in that clip… but only for those who took it the one way. For those who took it the other, that, that, was indeed shameless.

Alright, to now finally wrap this up, a closing video for narcissist abusers, or even self-abusers alike, everywhere. Lords of Acid, The Most Wonderful Girl, from the 1993 flick, Sliver, with …OMG, the sexiest Sharon Stone at her bestest.

Eat your hearts out, Evie Dearest and Co. …You femmes importantes. Turn it up.


Richard Nikoley

I'm Richard Nikoley. Free The Animal began in 2003 and as of 2021, contains 5,000 posts. I blog what I wish...from health, diet, and food to travel and lifestyle; to politics, social antagonism, expat-living location and time independent—while you sleep—income. I celebrate the audacity and hubris to live by your own exclusive authority and take your own chances. Read More


  1. marie on May 21, 2012 at 16:03

    Damn it Richard, I’m so offended that you ridicule women, important ones at that.
    How can we have our voices heard and respected, how can we ever proudly raise our heads out of the androcracy if you don’t Let us? OMG, I am so upset I think I will follow Sharon Stones’ lead and go touch myself to feel better, and empowered too! So there.

    • marie on May 21, 2012 at 18:15

      Oh, I’ve had a revelation Richard! I must like the punishment doled out by a misogynistic blog-master, or why would I hang around so much?
      Do you think the woo would be so kind as to psychoanalyze me too? It’s quite the clientele, actually, all us gals on this site must have a problem since we didn’t figure out your apparent misogyny!
      Well, it’s either that or like me, they’re maybe just bored–not busy enough? I mean, how many bon-bons can I eat while lolling around between doing research, teaching, volunteering with children, traveling to conferences, raising a family…
      Seriously man, why the hell did you pay attention to their crap? Oh! yeah, it’s a great excuse for that last clip (thank you for that 🙂 )

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 19:00

        Oh, Marie, Laf, but, I didn’t bother to blog this tidbit but in one place there was commiseration (and think about what word means, everyone) about the fact I blogged about using cunt and “there were hundreds of comments in support.” like what, and I posted them all myself? Like what, they were all guys?


        What you have are a bunch of, so far as I can tell, important women–and I’ve yet to have a Frenchie tell you what I really mean by that–who have their club where the leader tells them all about how all the men who never cared for them, nor ever would, are responsible for their importantness.

      • marie on May 21, 2012 at 19:30

        Oh, then let me take a stab at it, Quebecois should be close enough in this case :
        play on words, “import antes” > previously weighty or once-important, as in “no longer important”, as in “light-weights” or insignificant. Take your pick, I like the latter my self. Oui?

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 19:41

        Nope, no deconstruction necessary. Think about how you can use the word important in a French context wider than how English uses it.

      • marie on May 21, 2012 at 19:52

        Ah, then I’ll wait for some real frenchies to show up . I sure had fun with that deconstruction 🙂

      • marie on May 21, 2012 at 22:58

        Oh! But you wouldn’t, would you? Yes, you would. The women are ‘big’ ?
        (still having too much fun with this, whether I get the cookie or not…. :-).
        Annnnd, they’re fat because no man ever loved them?
        If so, for shame Richard!
        Have you no Common decency, can’t you…. commiserate?
        (yes, too much fun…could keep going all night, please humor me, baby wakes up if I stop rocking)

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 06:33

        Bingo. #2 in the Larousse. I recall the French using important or plus important quite a bit to mean big or bigger.

  2. Will on May 21, 2012 at 16:04

    Wow…. I just bought your e-book a couple weeks ago (for the most part, liked it – a few quibbles here and there, but so what; I probably just need to read and think more). But, the ‘review’ seems pretty wide of the mark, at least based on my own recent experience with some fairly dramatic alterations in my diet – changes that I’ve enjoyed and seem to have no problems sticking with.

    As to the rest of the entry regarding Kruse: since I’m a newcomer to your blog, I have no idea what all of that stuff is about but, it does all seem pretty entertaining.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 16:17


      Ha, you’re a newcomer and not yet going WTF have I stumbled into?

      Props, man. Laf. Hold in there, if you can. It swings very wide around these parts.

  3. Cromagnon on May 21, 2012 at 16:08

    All this is starting to look more like politics and less like a way of achieving health and well being in general.
    Enough of this back and forth!

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 16:14

      Oh, Cromagnon.

      I’m sorry about the bill I owe you.

      • Cromagnon on May 21, 2012 at 16:25

        I’m just saying, why bother with all this shit?! just continue doing what you do, why do you give so much of a fuck about what this ignorant imbeciles say or think about you?

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 16:29

        OK, got it. Wrestled with that over 2 days. Yin, Yang, or whatever the fuck. Went back & forth.

        There are behind the scenes elements I can’t talk about but, yes, I do want to go forward, so if that’s your admonishment I’ll take it.

      • Andy on May 23, 2012 at 14:42

        Yes. Such a hissy fit. And it seems to have a lot to do with “the word”. Really? What the fuck? Hilarious.

        So it seems that it is yet again possible to accurately judge someone based on their website design choices. I’m on to something.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 23, 2012 at 15:04

        “So it seems that it is yet again possible to accurately judge someone based on their website design choices. I’m on to something”

        I almost consider that an inside joke.


        (clean, simple, white)

  4. Kate Catlin on May 21, 2012 at 16:13

    Um, ok. So they’re honestly saying that MEAT, and FATS aren’t DESIRABLE?! Hahahaha, they are so deluded. How is eating DELICIOUS, REAL food with no preservatives or other lab-created chemicals HARD to follow? Eat what tastes delicious and you’re pretty much Primal. How easy is it to eat organic meat and eggs and veggies?! (lucky cause I live where we can buy locally-raised organic/grass-fed everything for cheap, versus living in a city, where we used to pay premium for it)

    Honestly, I’m writing the kind of comment I usually make fun of for not giving links and facts (I live in south-central Kansas, out in the middle of where they grow your organic/grass-fed beef and “cage free” poultry), but I’m really busy being energetic and awesome, eating my (mostly) primal diet and not eating CRAP, so I’m BUSY. The article is so ridiculous I can’t help answer stupid with stupid.

    Primal 2.5 years, healthier than I’ve ever been, cholesterol way below normal for your supposed “healthy” diet of whole grains and no fat. I eat NO grains and POUNDS of bacon, butter and lard (cumulative, not individually) each week and I’m healthy. Seeing is believing.

  5. Geoff on May 21, 2012 at 16:17

    That Lords of Acid track is an amazing soundtrack for a thrashing Tabata kettlebell workout. Get some snatch to that one!

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 16:19


      Indeed. It might even mitigate an important ass.

      • Geoff on May 21, 2012 at 16:36

        Most important asses would benefit from a comprehensive Tabata kettlebell thrashing to the Lords of Acid. Spending four minutes with their music and a quality snatch will change your outlook forever.

      • johnnyv on May 22, 2012 at 15:58

        I always appreciate a quality snatch!
        Kettlebells and lords of acid not so much.

  6. D on May 21, 2012 at 16:20

    “This diet would be very difficult for most people to follow, let alone naturally desire.”

    Um, what? Yeah, no one craves steak or butter.

    Actually, I kind of like the word reckless. Sounds kinda bad boy, in a good way

    • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 01:29

      Reckless – hmmmmm – reck-less?? Ahhh – I don’t give a reck, or feck or fuck.

      Sooooooo, I’m fuckless ??? Doubtful.

      Another line – reckless ——> wreckless, safe driver – Ha Ha Ha.
      Nah, not so good.

      Marie & Dick, perhaps Cajun might be a better source of French based Street-Creole or . . . or . . . . or . . . . . even Franglais, preferably MontReal sourced.

      PS I have wonderful memories of “une petite Quebecoise” I met (not in Monterey) a long time ago.
      “But that was in another country . . . . “

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 02:39

        …and the wench is dead? Oh, how sad! (queue violins, echoing off the stone walls of …. the Vieux Carré?, why not, Cajun is so much more mysterious!)

  7. Steve on May 21, 2012 at 16:37

    Do you enjoy drama Richard? While I do find your point black style refreshing in this pathetic PC world we live in, you have been focusing so much attention on drama of late and thats just f’cking boring.

    Get back to challenging conventional thinking, not conventional thinkers!

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 16:43

      Yea Steve. Someone said that already and I get it. Many, however, are not done yet.

      Have patience, grasshopper. Shamelessly condescending, I know, but it’s the best I could come up with on short notice,

      Now go get your fill of the Lords of Acid. The whole post, in fact, was written so I could have an excuse to put that out there, and that’s the fuckin’ truth.

  8. Whitney on May 21, 2012 at 16:46

    I understand how reviews like that are inevitable and a badge of honor but they still hurt. To counter that vitriol I would like to say congratulations on publishing and thank you. A lot of people need a book and it’s nice to have one to recommend. Are you going to the AHS?

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 17:02

      Whitney, going to AHS and presenting for a second time. Bea will be there too. She completes me. 🙂

      Nobody can figure it out when they meet her and she’s as opposite of me as you can imagine. She’s learned to kinda go with it.

      • Whitney on May 21, 2012 at 18:06

        I wish my Scott could go, he’s staying with the kids. I’m on my own, my first time there. I hope I can catch your presentation. Will Jack Kruse be there? What if he wants to fight? Or make up?

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 18:16


        You’ll have to just see how I am in person. Or, ask the several hundreds who were at 11.

  9. Steve on May 21, 2012 at 16:48

    I loaded the page then took a phone call so Cromagnon’s post wasn’t there when I posted. 🙂

    As for the Lords of Acid, I think I’ll need to drop some to properly appreciate it! I’m more of a blue kinda guy myself. Question, is the gal on the cover the one touching herself? Cuz if yes, count me in!!

    • Steve on May 21, 2012 at 17:02

      Would have been good to reply to your post, rather then the entire thread.

  10. Chris Sturdy on May 21, 2012 at 18:03

    Defensiveness is a sure sign that you are making an impact. A friend of mine just dropped over 30 pounds in 2-3 months by changing from SAD to Primal and adding a modest amount of walking. He, and you, and all of us on the Primal/Paleo train for that matter, must have gotten it wrong, wouldn’t you say? I’ll get my labs back this week and see how much “unhealthier” I am becoming by eating so many “undesirable” foods. If my BP is any indication (100/60 for a 40 yo male), I must be doing myself irreparable harm.

  11. Luke on May 21, 2012 at 18:16

    OK, Richard, I gotta ask it: How come so many of the Food Nazis these days are women?

    The obnoxious review of your book: a woman. The beekeeper who got his bees knicked in Illinois because he was opposing Monsanto–the Illinois bureaucrat who got the bees taken–a female. The lousy bitch who ordered the Rawsome raids in southern CA: Yep, XX chromosome.

    What is it with women and the mindless beauracracy? Is this one of the endgames of feminism? Sure, lots of men commit heinous acts in the name of government all the time, but it seems singularly unique that many of these food-based banalities are driven by female burro-crats.

    My theory is that women are much easier cowed (no pun intented) into following mindless rules & regulations, whereas men are more likely to say “this is fucking stupid,” and leave, quit, get another job, or just plain ignore orders based on stupidity.

    Not to start a gender-based flame war or anything, but I had to say this, it’s been eating at me for a while, and I know that of all the blogs in the Paleosphere, it’s more likely to get discussed here than anywhere else.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 18:23

      Luke, no one has yet to detect—of if they have, haven’t said— he essence of my use of the word “important” in various ways, in relations to Evie’s Chicks.

      As an aside, Lysander Spooner predicted the disaster with women’s suffrage. Don’t get me wrong: NOBODY should vote. I don’t vote, because NOBODY should vote and I don’t care to impose my values upon others (I use 4-letter words instead, which is apparently far worse).

      So, there’s another thing from my own blog they can use to tag me as a misogynist, or watever. The simple fact is that I have always loved to be told what to do by a woman. My only qualification is that I get to choose which one.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 01:43

        “My only qualification is that I get to choose which one.”

        I would add “and choose which telling”.

        I have found many women become wound up when I go into “charmingly unco-operative” mode.
        Eventually, that response is characterised as “in denial”. My reply is ” I never go into The Nile – I might acquire bilharzia”. Only the ones who burst out in uncontrollable laughter are keepers.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 02:42

        “…many women become wound up….” Careful cheri, your fantasies are showing.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 07:57

        Yeah, hope (then) sprung eternally.

        But I will say that one cherie eventually became a trop cherie – comes from cherry pickin’.

        At this stage it’s twice bitten . . . . .

      • rob on May 22, 2012 at 04:37

        Re “charmingly unco-operative” … I figure if women don’t sometimes find you totally exasperating you’re doing something wrong and probably need to get your testosterone level checked.

      • Shelley on May 22, 2012 at 05:56

        You got that right, Rob!! Only weak gals wants a wussy man. Bring on the testosterone!

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 08:01

        Curiously enough, this comment was made of me by a boss when leaving his company.

        On a millisecond’s reflection I concurred with the observation and realised I was like in situations other than work.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 08:04

        Physiological levels (of T) only, of course.

        And wussies get no pussies.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 19:08

      Like, I had to feed and walk dogs becaue me wife is late teaching kids to be better.

      To complete my thinking, this, and what I posted before is in no way the fault of women, but men. Men let their propery and productivity be stolen from, government polls it, and since women’s suffrage, politicians know how to present themselves as a more perfect and complete father and provider.

      Women seized the advantage of it all, but the fault lies with men.

      Sad all the way around. Sure, best to go with the zookeepers. There is no more pernicious wedge against the family unit than government.

      • Luke on May 21, 2012 at 20:33

        Richard, I like your thinking on this. It reminds me of another piece that I’ve been ruminating on:

        I think you’ll like Jack Donovan’s work, you seem to have that masculine Thymos intact; so many in your generation, and subsequent ones, have been castrated by popular culture.

      • Elenor on May 22, 2012 at 16:48

        I used to playfully (but seriously) chide the group of (thought-criminal) men my (thought-criminal) husband and I would break …er… steak… with once a month that, “ever since all-y’all men let your thumbs up off of women, things have gone to hell!” But then I finally came to my senses and stopped chiding men!

        Women are ‘built’ (paleolithic-ly) to fit into their milieu; when that milieu is contaminated and twisted, so, too, become the women! Alas.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 17:15

        Eleanor, do I detect a sense of “they didn’t know how well they had it?”

        I always go back to my powerful grandmothers and it was so obvious, because it’s all they had and they were expert. Now days, I see pathos on too many women and the whole women deal.

        Where women have failed, in my view is not to realize it was always a natural power struggle, but in some balance, both evolving.

        That’s not to say men have not failed even worse. They were the ones who invented this governement monstocity in the first place to replace them, so I’m the first to laugh at their just castration.

        Fuck ’em.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 17:17

        Sorry, fuckin’ iPad keyboard. Hopefully you can wade through.

  12. A.B. Dada on May 22, 2012 at 08:39

    Oh, have a look at her photo…

    What do you think she’s hiding behind that baskey? Signs of metabolic syndrome?


    • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 08:46

      Hard to say. I looked up some stuff like videos and she looked pretty decent. But lots of people do, in spite of what they eat. She probably eats reasonably decently, but then so do I and many others. But she comes from a perspective of authority and she gets paid to exercise that authority. I challenge it and so there you go.

      • Carlos Morales on May 22, 2012 at 09:09

        Agreed. We can’t completely throw out a diet because certain women in the movement are slightly overweight. Saying that, she still looks like a bitch.

  13. deeper on May 21, 2012 at 18:40

    On a more important topic, what the fuck happened to sous-vide cooking?

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 19:10

      Don’t know that sous vide is more important, especially over just cooking. It became just another tool for me. I use it now and then. There’s so much food pics now in the paleo world, I’m not that on it, anymore.

      I’m going to tackle the mind, as we go along. But it may not be your bag, man, and that’s fine.

      • Elenor on May 22, 2012 at 16:49

        I had sous vide sirloin last night. Convinced the friend I invited that he needed one too!

  14. EatLessMoveMoore on May 21, 2012 at 19:27

    If Kurt and Melissa and Deans are the intellectual capital of the low carb/paleo community, then Evelyn is its conscience, its (sometimes) lone voice in the wilderness. The fact that she’s attacked so fiercely simply means she hit her target. Dead on.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 19:32

      Let’s see how many folks accept your premise, ELMM. That should definitely be hashed out.

      • Andrea on May 21, 2012 at 19:39

        I’m trying to decide who’s sicker: Evelyn, or the kind of person who trolls the net dropping worshipful paeans to her.

        It’s all so nauseating.

      • Mel on May 21, 2012 at 21:01

        The mind reels that there exist individuals so pathetic as to make Evelyn Kocur their Goddess, and, further, that they spend their days traipsing around the internet singing Hosannahs to her.

        Just found this:

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 21:41

        Ha, well, Mel, thanks for airing some of Evie Dearest’s dirty laundry right out there in plain sight.

        Laf. She fucking deserves every little bit of it. Live by the sword…

      • marie on May 21, 2012 at 22:21

        Yuks aside, perspective : long-time profs will tell me that if you’ve been teaching long enough, eventually you end up with below the average score on this site. It has no correlation to in-college student ratings nor actual class grades. That is, it means nothing, and as for the more impassioned comments, who’s likeliest to comment, the majority (for all we know) that did well or the 10% that did exceptionally badly (usually because it wasn’t spoon-fed to them)?
        I’m just thinking that “Bad data” shouldn’t be used in any way in an argument, especially if the “other side” does just that. Not because it’s personal or embarrassing (she’d deserve that) or ‘not sporting’ or some such nonsense, but because it’s not real.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 22:23

        Ok, Marie, I have to admit you’re probably right.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 01:46

        Surely women live by the scabbard?

        See Germaine Greer in an earlier scatology post.

    • Anna K. on May 21, 2012 at 20:05

      LOL, ELMM, she is the one who does the attacking! and misses the target.
      why do you keep defending Kurt, Melissa, etc.? who cares about them anyway?

      • EatLessMoveMoore on May 21, 2012 at 20:36

        They just happened to be the people who were warning you all about Kruse while most were still guzzling the Kool-Aid.

      • Anna K. on May 21, 2012 at 20:38

        ELMM, when will you understand the point that it’s not just about his personality, but about his ideas that did help many people, but You , Kurt and Melissa dismiss everything by Kruse and refuse to discuss CT, which is clearly valid.

      • EatLessMoveMoore on May 21, 2012 at 21:13

        In his case, the medium most certainly is the message. Even Richard concedes he isn’t needed for CT (and he didn’t invent it, either).

      • Anna K. on May 21, 2012 at 21:23

        LSMM, sure Kruse is not needed for CT, just like Kurt and Melissa are NOT needed for Paleo. Did they invent Paleo?

      • Karl on May 22, 2012 at 01:20

        Anna- That’s pretty weak sause. The guy makes things up, communicates with incomprehensible blog posts and talks about dangerous and irresponsible things. Mining for nuggets of truth in his BS mountain is fine and personal milage may vary, but what’s the point? If the ranting, homeless guy wandering around without pants on tells me not to invest in Facebook, then should I listen to the rest of his speech and keep coming back for more tips? If my friends point out that he looks dangerous are they ignoring his wisdom? Or silencing the next Buffett? What should they think if I don’t take their advice- this is how cults begin.

        And while Carbsane can be nasty herself, she’s also very smart. She’s gotten a lot of shit over the years largely because she’s correctly called BS on a lot of low carb and paleo people who needed it. I don’t blame her for having a chip on her shoulder.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 02:20

        Dear ol’ Loren invented “Paleo”.

        I use word advisedly. A review of hunter-gatherer diets was first described as being representitive of pre-Neolithic eating habits. Cordain picked from this a single macronutrient ratio which suited his purpose of advocating a low-fat diet.
        In effect , a Gatherer Diet
        Others, later, expunged gathering, and used the papers to promote a Hunter diet.
        In Cordain’s latest book he justifies his avoidance foods on the basis of intolerances. However, he does not suggest that one should test for any specific intolerance in oneself.

        E.g. Dairy is bad for everyone on the basis of lactose intolerance in some.

        I advocate the Gilbert&Sullivan (a wonderful English Irish collaboration) by
        “make(ing) the punishment fit the crime,
        the punishment fit the crime”

      • Janet on May 22, 2012 at 02:51


      • Karl on May 22, 2012 at 03:35

        @Janet Not so, though I’m not sure if you mean that as a compliment or an insult.

      • Anna K. on May 22, 2012 at 07:29

        Karl, you can’t be serious! What is dangerous on his blog??? Please……
        and your comparison of a guy who has lost a lot of weight himself and helped many people to do so as well to a homeless guy without pants is a really Strong Sause.

      • Karl on May 22, 2012 at 07:57

        That he’s helping people doesn’t seem like a very strong defense any more. It doesn’t excuse the lies and exaggerations and at this point how can anybody be sure there’s any truth to any of his claims. I’m still mystified about how people can pull enough coherence out of his blog posts to even figure out what he’s talking about, let alone check them for themselves. When you’re looking for advice doesn’t it matter than it comes from somebody with a history of honestly and straight dealings? How much dishonesty does it take for a source to become contaminated?

      • Anna K. on May 22, 2012 at 08:00

        Karl, I’m sorry that you can’t follow your own logic, let alone mine. I’m not excusing him, but a cold bath will do you good. May be then you can see that it’s not dangerous.

      • Karl on May 22, 2012 at 08:29

        Anna, a cold bath isn’t dangerous and I think you’re arguing for your very reasonable implementation of CT. Kruse’s presentation of CT’s benefits is off the wall (150 pound bench press increases, miracle cures, etc) so there’s nothing there to discuss. There have been people on this very blog who understand and present CT really well and have a much better relationship with the truth.

        He was called out by people within paleo who have a history of looking for the facts, people like Harris, Deans and Carbsane (not to mention Sisson who cut him off when his Leptin RX manuscript was an incoherent mess), so the burden of proof is on him. He ratcheted up the crazy with factor X. It’s not a badge of honor to be an outcast if you’re wrong. For every Galileo, there have been millions of people who are just full of shit. It doesn’t speak well of paleo if entry into the inner circle is bought by having doctors and scientists think you’re nuts.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 08:34

        Yep, Karl, pushing boundaries and such is a valuable thing, but the pushing and the being unconventional is not a value unto itself, an end in itself. This is a dent in the armor of Paleo I see a lot. Just because something goes against CW or is otherwise “out there” is not the reason to embrace it. The reason to embrace it is because it’s right or looks right, and the virtue is the ability to look beyond CW when the facts or reasoning suggest one should.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 21:27

        “still guzzling the Kool-Aid.”

        Wide sweeping generalization. Thanks, now I can dismiss anything further you have to say.

      • Nigel Kinbrum on May 22, 2012 at 01:33

        Not a “Wide sweeping generalization”.
        Just a LOL-worthy statement.
        It made me LOL, anyway.

  15. Txomin on May 21, 2012 at 20:25

    Some people are so poisonous that it is healthier to have them as enemies than as friends.

    • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 08:18

      Who said:

      “Hold your friends close, but hold your enemies even closer.”

      • scott on May 22, 2012 at 08:37

        Vito Corleone, but he was quoting Sun Tzu, who was quoting Tywin Lannister.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 08:37


      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 08:56

        Yeah, laf, ta.

      • Carlos Morales on May 22, 2012 at 09:04

        A guy with shitty friends and no integrity.

  16. Rob on May 21, 2012 at 21:00

    “NPD / antisocial traits seem disturbingly common amongst “paleos” as this silly religious cult emphasizes grandiosity, egocentricity, and has a marked emphasis on disregarding modern society. This is appealing to a narcissistic psychopath, as appealing as the atkins diet is to someone who likes hamburgers and bacon.”

    God she’s dumb. Narcissistic psychopath? High narcissism is an essential component of psychopathy. Can’t wait to hear about all those NON-narcissistic psychopaths!

    “Nikoley himself shows classic signs of being a low level narcissist / sociopathic abuser, which may be the very thing that lead him to worship other successful narcissistic / sociopathic icons like Jack Kruse or the character in the Baldwin movie he shamelessly admitted to idolizing.”

    Low level narcissists or those with narcissistic traits are in a completely different category than whose with sociopathy/psychopathy or even someone with NPD. If you’re going to use terminology from the field of psychopathology, know what the fuck your talking about.

    Now Jack Kruse may very well suffer from a personality disorder but Richard? Don’t be a retard.

  17. Contemplationist on May 21, 2012 at 21:08

    This is why I’m hardcore anti-psychiatry Thomas Szasz. Any keyboard wanker or cunt can make a stream of consciousness diagnosis of his/her political/ideological enemies. It’s easy as fuck. Unless the psychoanalysis on keyboard is being done to return the favor, I completely disengage.

    Richard, are you a fan of Tom Szasz? Have you read him?

    If not, I recommend this interview

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 21:43

      Oh, of course I know of him.

      Will definitely check the link.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 21, 2012 at 21:47

      Let me go one further, contemplationalist.

      Some may not have noticed, but neither in my posts nor comments have I once engaged in the easy labeling of Jack Kruse as well, some label shrinks use. I simply waited until I could call him a liar, and that’s objective.

      • Contemplationist on May 22, 2012 at 07:03

        Absolutely I did notice and admire you for it.
        Let others play armchair psychiatrist. It is completely unscientific. ‘Liar’ is definitely an objective term, and has probably been confirmed to a reasonable degree in the case of Kruse.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 13:54

        Just to be a little picky – Kruse has shown himself to have lied to you, and to have presented a false statement as an expert witness.

        It has certainly changed the “a priori” probabilities using a Bayesian analysis for constructing “post hoc” outcomes.

        Is this sufficient for the characterisation “liar”??

        I have read some fascinating discourses on “The Cretan Liar” problem . . . . . .

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 15:12


        You’re just fucking with me, Leon.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 15:41

        Hey now, what’s wrong with Cretans? My husband’s a Cretan!
        Not all Cretans are liars. I’m not a Cretan.
        First it’s the Canadians, now the Cretans, I’m offended! And hurt. And rejected. And keep coming back for more…sigh!

    • Carlos Morales on May 22, 2012 at 09:06

      Psychiatric drugs are legitimized child abuse. I’ve dealt with 5 year olds who are on anti-schizophrenic, insomnia, anti-depression, and ADHD drugs all at the same time..

  18. Neal Matheson on May 21, 2012 at 22:48

    I’m not sure if I have read a criticism of the “paleo” diet that hasn’t been filled with a kind of wierd vaugue sense of impending dread. I think the results that people are seeing are going to start making alot of the mainstream nutritionists quite uncomfortable. They are staring extinction in the face and they know it.
    I think they are using the culture of fear around meat built up through years of bad reporting an shitty veggie sponsored epidemioology to make people unsure about it.
    The NHS and the USDA both show that the poulation is following their guidelines and across the western world people have never been less healthy (outside plagues of course). The state of modern British mums in particular is shameful.
    Richard, well done on coming out of the whole kruse thing looking good. You have proven that honesty and manners (sometimes) are essential to credibility. Manner others have come out of it looking very bad.

  19. Neal Matheson on May 21, 2012 at 22:50

    balls- many others-

  20. AmandaT on May 22, 2012 at 00:52

    Hi Richard,
    I am a woman, I am a scientist (yes, a real one) and no matter how much you swear and use the C-word, I am never offended by your blog. I am, however, sickened and offended by Evelyn’s blog. She is an arrogant, deluded, hypocritical a**hole, who has her head up her rear end and sees herself through some VERY rose-tinted glasses. There is an air of desperation about her. And I’m sure you’ll win the war of words.

    • Nigel Kinbrum on May 22, 2012 at 01:37

      There’s a war? Fuck me! Why do I never notice these things?
      Evelyn doesn’t get everything right. But then again, who does?
      Methinks the lady (AmandaT) protesteth too much!

    • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 06:27

      Tut, tut, Amanda.

      Very “ad mulierem”.

      Just love yr metaphors – perhaps yr comment is satirical/ironic/post modern and Ah jist don’t git it.

      OTOH, I wonder whether Evie’s “fundamental” view wold be altered by removing her rosy tinted spectacles? Do you recommend a procedure for so doing?

    • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 06:39

      Hi Amanda T

      I’m almost never sure of myself completely when I do a post like that, but I end up gritting my teeth, closing my eyes, and clicking Publish anyway.

      I do however hope it’s about the end of this with Evelyn. And at any rate, don’t want to get dragged down into a never-ending war of words. That would make things very boring and I’m sure many readers are on or over the edge on that point already anyway.

      But it is a blog and this is how things roll sometimes.

  21. Chris on May 22, 2012 at 04:28

    Sounds like the usual suspects behaving in their usual fashion. But the focus of the review is a little different: not only do they complain that Paleo is hard (a usual complaint), but they complain that Paleo is undesirable. Really? Fatty animal meat is undesirable? The mind reels. In entertainment, the portrayal of someone going on a diet is someone that tries to sneak in steak when they’re supposed to be eating soy. I can’t imagine that most people would NOT start salivating at the smell of steak, or portray the typical ‘steak behaviors’ (which are fairly erotic). Mark Twain famously said that the only way to be healthy was to do the things you don’t want to do; highly refined carbs and sugars combined with manmade fats are addictive, not naturally desired by the human body.

    Fortunately, the Paleosphere is well known for responding, and I’m sure the author is already drowning in replies. As they should be.

  22. Chris Tamme on May 22, 2012 at 08:28

    To address the book review I have my own n=1 experience from this weekend to draw from. I have always had trouble turning down cake and ice cream whether from some kind of psychological or metabolic issue I can probably say a little of both. I went to a grad/birthday party that had two servings of cake and ice cream. I had no problem turning it down both times. I did not struggle with it, I did not have to fight myself, I didn’t have to walk away from the sight of it. I had no desire to consume any of it. It goes much deeper then simply realizing the horrible sugar hangover I would have the next day.

    I don’t know if I have finally been able to emotionally disconnect from food or I have found I enjoy whole unprocessed foods so much more appetizing and enjoyable. At this point in my life the paleo lifestyle is easy. I am not sure how someone who has not lived it can say that it is not easy with any certainty.

    I always love to see what an RD has to say about food because it is usually way off the mark.

  23. Paul C on May 22, 2012 at 09:10

    “Nikoley’s recommendations are misguided and reckless, especially his advice to drink raw milk, which is strictly against FDA and CDC recommendations.”

    The especially phrase is a riot. All of your advice is reprehensible, but the raw milk part, get ready for this, is STRICTLY against RECOMMENDATIONS.

    I just made an agreement with a farmer to buy 8 gallons of “maple syrup” a month. I have to say maple syrup because I live in Vernon Hershberger’s state.

  24. Ben on May 22, 2012 at 09:59

    Hey Cunt Master.

    I hate the concept of being offended. If I read you calling me a cunt, I have several options. I can ruminate about it all day, imagine you breaking into my toilet and screaming at my pissing dick, and getting all angry and frightened by it. Or I can call you names in return. Or I can let it go. My reaction really has very little to do with what you did originally.

    Think about the people who get offended by lots of things. The kind of people who get offended because two men are making sweet, sweet love. Or teenagers playing video games. Or people not going to church. It’s a character flaw of those people, and not the ones doing the stuff that offends those people.
    Saying you are offended by something is really stupid. It’s the least classy way to deal with stuff. And the least amusing one, really.

    Man this rant wasn’t fun to write at all. I couldn’t even get really angry. I’m loving all the drama though. I always look forward to you posting something that gets some people really worked up. You piss me off too plenty of times, but the comment threads here are really cool to read.

    I’m going to immerse my balls in ice water now.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 10:20

      Ben, it’s almost coming down to collecting all the smart and insightful commenters in the paleosphere.

      Good job.

  25. BabyGirl on May 22, 2012 at 10:11

    Man, keep up the drama and you’re going to end up on!

  26. Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 10:27

    So, did Carbsane chicks attacked poor Richard? Most definitely Wooo did and I am one of people who left comments asking Richard to stop behaving silly. Commenting on Carbsane blog doesn’t make one to be a Carbsane chick or syncopate by default. Then LeonRover and Nigel fell in the same category (or they would be roosters?). It is ironic, but I made my first comment on the post trying to defend Richard from the unfair and hostile opinion of the Wooo. BTW, she is as far from being a Carbsane syncopate as you can get (besides her gender, of course), she is very serious about limiting carbs and host her own very sophisticated blog. Many her ideas are close to what Peter-Hyperlipid thinks. She is a trained medical professional(RN) with good observation skills, and her views are grounded in observations, thoughts and medical knowledge, not faith in consents. I am not always agree with all she says (especially Paleo staff), but I think a lot of people who read blogs can say the same about any blog. More often I disagree with Evelyn (Carbsane) then Wooo, for example, because I am a LCarber.

    Wooo’s very interesting(non-paleo) blog will not ring a bell with everybody in a Paleo crowd because mostly discusses problems related to people with more metabolic and health problems than an average guy or girl who has to deal with unwanted 20 – 3o lb . My impression that while we all are concerned with the rise of obesity and metabolic deceases in a Western World, we all need different degree of diet limitations in order to manage our health. I think most of people who read and comment on Richard’s blog probably wouldn’t be overweight on any traditional diet. It is just mine opinion, I am not holding a crystal boll. I managed to accumulate more lbs than I wanted eating real self-made foods and exercising, Wooo lost and not regained 180 lb out of 300 lb ten years ago, and has to fight now her body’s desire to go back. Her blog attracts many people who have more obvious health issues then thous that can be cured by not eating junk and living a reasonable life-style. I also want to remark that any woman with PSOS or approaching or living the “certain age” will find Wooo’s posting on hormones to be interesting and helpful. Probably, even guys who want to understand better the phenomenon of PMS, would benefit from such reading.

    I know a lot of guys have pre-judgement towards females. I think it has some grounding. We (women) have non-stable hormonal levels, it affects a lot in how we feel, think and behave. Many of us learned how to do an extra effort in order to compensate a hormonal interference, some can’t do it or don’t know how. During mine working history I found out it was much more relaxing to work in a male-dominating environment, which was the case most of the time because I am an engineer.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 10:51

      I hit Beatrice up last night to write a guest post for my blog about what I’ve been doing lately that has her all up in exuberant arms, at 52. Totally stable mood, to which I can attest.

      Everyone will have to wait and see what it is.

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 13:05

        I suddenly started to have more mood problems after 45 years old, when I experienced a general worsening of my health and had a 26 lb of a weight gain in one year, it all got cured by eating a very LC diet. I also control my migraines with my diet. There is definitely a connection between mood problems and a metabolic health. Probably, women who are more metabolically healthy, have less problems with their mood stability during monthly shifts in their hormones level. I think it is the your wife’s case. In your post about eating more carbs you mentioned she felt better on the new regiment, and I think it means she is not so IR as somebody else who benefits from a streaker regiment. Since I limited carbs in my diet almost 5 years ago, I have no problems , associated with my age, even wrinkles. Now I am between 51 and 52, I don’t know what future holds for me.
        Richard, in case if it was not clear for you, I never thought you deserved any word of Wooo’s criticism.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 13:45

        Don’t worry about it, Galina. We probably have a slight language mismatch, but we can work it out. The past was yesterday.

    • Shelley on May 22, 2012 at 11:20

      Not being your typical “feeling” female (e.g., I consistently score an ESTJ on the myers brigg test without a single feeling question answered – must be since my dad left us when I was 7 and reality sank in) and also being an engineer, I thought working in a male-dominated field was so much better than working in a female driven office. To this day, I would still choose that type of environment over the other because I simply don’t have the patience for female gossiping, griping and grappling over their/my/her/his looks, but I was very surprised to learn how many males can be just as “hormonal” and insecure as any woman. I’ve only worked at large corporations, so I wonder if the same holds true in a smaller business, which requires some form of risk-taking. I would tend to think that the males in a smaller run business are much stronger and capable in thinking and feeling than the corporate environment.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 11:37

        Shelley, you need to be the first to comment on the post I’m drafting right now as to whether a gay or effeminate male can be masculine.

        Coming up.

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 13:11

        I found out that in a small company most guys had a A-type personality, which sometimes caused some problems.
        In a big company rumors and gossips are very important and many guys are too involved in a office politics.

      • Shelley on May 22, 2012 at 13:26

        Very true…small venture – greater risk-takers where everyone needs to perform; corporate – greater wussies who can loaf more and like to play office politics. Unfortunately, some men don’t realize how intuitive and multitasking women can be who can work circles around them while playing office politics like pros! 🙂 Women’s emotions are their downfall, though. I was in a meeting with high-powered men and a saleswoman trying to make a deal; it was a tough room, no doubt, but she broke and started crying. Not good. I’ve learned to be the ice queen in meetings – I’d rather be a bitch than a sobbing fool.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 13:52

        Yea, Shelly. A constant irritation to me. Women, not realizing the huge power they do wield, somehow–at least in my opinion–would rather try to change men than simply use the power they already possess.

        If women didn’t have clear power, the human race would have gone extinct a long time ago.

        My grandmother shure understood her power and my grandfather was a very productive, proud man, with good reason to be.

      • Shelley on May 22, 2012 at 14:11

        Was your grandmother of Eastern European descent like mine. Certainly in my case, that region produces some of the most extremely powerful women who are absolute survivors. It was amazing to watch my grandmother who was still kicking until her death at 100. She was one tough Polish chick!

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 15:25

        Shelly. Yes, north, eastern.

        My dad was born in Stetin, now part of Poland. He was visiting his grandparents in the East (family had moved–6 kids) for the summer when everything went to shit and got shut down. Took her, and her alone, 3 years after the end of the war to get him back. He was half the weight he should have been and had to be sent to a special think they had set up for that, to overfed malnourished kids. He’s the shortest of all his brothers.

        She made it all happen, Oma did.

      • Shelley on May 22, 2012 at 15:41

        And they do it without complaining or gloating – they were just strong like that. I can only wish to be that strong.

        I’m sure it was the cold, though. I’m pretty sure it was below 50 at most times of their life. 🙂 I’m forever doomed living in S. FL now.

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 17:12

        Yes, it is better not to show emotions too much in a working environment, could label you forever. In that regard Russian upbringing helped me – it is a country with partially oriental mentality and showing your emotions too openly is perceived as a weakness, and many are trained from a childhood to behave in a very controlled manner , not to laugh loudly, things like that. I remember John Stuart making fun out of Putin for being stone-faced during his inauguration, but it was typical. I have been living in Canada and USA for last 15 years, and significantly lost my tendency to be to be stone-faced without any regrets, but I am still unable to shout “O MAY GOD!!!” or scream when I see somebody I didn’t see for a while.
        I am happy how ketosis affects me – makes me happily balanced and more immune to being pissed-off.

      • Anna K. on May 22, 2012 at 21:17

        Galina, I agree with you about the Russian upbringing and emotions. Good point. Where in Russia did you grow up?

      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 11:09

        I am from Moscow. I was told at work from time to time “O, you are so quite!”.
        Different cultures have different norms when it comes to demonstrating emotions, face expressions, and other details of personal conduct. I started to pay attention on it long time ago, after one of people I knew who graduated from the Military Academy for the Foreign Language translators as a Military Specialist in Arabic language, told a story how they had a whole course devoted to the mentality of Arabs and the importance of small details of behavior. The Military translators/advisers for Arabic-speaking countries were trained , for example, to keep such expression on their faces which demonstrated others they had a very high place in hierarchy and radiated a self-importance. If somebody looked too friendly, it signaled to other people in the room such person was low-ranked and not worth listening (not “important”). No emotions supposed to be expressed. I recollected that story, when my hairdresser complained to me on Russian girls he met in some Airport who were too unfriendly and unapproachable, and looked at him like he did not deserve their attention. In his words “Why did they give me such a hard time?”. While girls, probably, just tried to radiate some self-importance.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 23, 2012 at 11:20

        Oh, my, Galina. Does that ever bring back memories dealing with Eastern European women back in the day. Especially fashion and magazine models in the Roppongi district of Tokyo–back in the mid-80s

        If you could get post the big chill……….

      • Shelley on May 23, 2012 at 11:51

        That’s interesting, Galina. You’re teaching me all about my family; being from Polish/Russian descent in addition to Welsh, I am not very showy and touchy and always criticized for being too serious – I simply don’t remember anyone in my greater family touch or kiss in public and I guess it rubbed off onto me. So when I get together with my husband’s family who are from Sweden and Montreal and they’re all kissing on both sides of my face, I have to force myself to give them a hug and kiss back. It’s just so awkward for me.

      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 12:36

        O, I am sure, chill from models was huge, the good thing it is normally directed to the recently met people, so not-too-easily spooked guys had a good possibility of having fun after all. May be girls unconscionably select for guys with big bolls by acting unapproachable at the beginning, who knows?.

      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 12:37

        Richard, my reply went to Shirley.

      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 13:22

        I am glad to be of any help. My observations abut people’s differences have some value for me, but I am sometimes not sure is it of any interest for somebody else. Indeed, in some cultures people behave in less affectionate way, and self-respect requires control of emotions . I like to see smiles everywhere in Florida, it makes life brighter. When I go back to Russia for a visit, I notice how severe most faces look. It doesn’t mean people are different inside.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 23, 2012 at 13:50

        Funny thing was, I almost never really wanted to fuck them….well, OK, had they offered. I wanted to have friends in Tokyo, with apartments. I succeeded. Some of those models lived in places that cost 15k per month, and that was in the 80s.

        I was more enamored with the challenge of a common japanese girl on the trian who kept glancing my way.

      • Shelley on May 23, 2012 at 13:53

        Living most of my life in Florida, I smile all the time and it quite disturbs the people in NYC. I’m convinced it’s all the sunshine down here – I’m excited when we get a good rain and I finally get the right to be depressed, curl up with a book and some tea.

      • Anna K. on May 23, 2012 at 14:01

        That’s why I’ve moved from NY to Florida and rarely visit Russia 🙂

        Great observations, Galina!

      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 14:18

        There are several components in attractiveness, and a beauty is just one of them. The funny thing is, being very beautiful and chosen on the ground of appearance alone makes woman’s situation less secure, because there are always somebody else with a different type of beauty, more young, whatever. Usually the unique combination of appearance and personality does the trick. It should be something what touches soul, like glances of local girl a on the train . I think the hostile and mean style of behavior even when skin deep, puts many into the disposable category.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 23, 2012 at 14:39

        Victoria’s Secret, the high class ‘porn’ for smart men is expert at finding women models who don’t really fit any particular mold and are often just enough quirky, in my view, to make them even more desirable and attractive.

        In the mid 80s, in the Officer’s wardroom of USS REEVES, back when VS was still but a catalogue company, it probably got more action than the Playboy subscription.

        From time to time, especially as I now see the mall outlets and realizing these are like 4th, 5th, maybe even 6th generation gals, what ever happened to those first sets of girls.

      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 15:03

        I like to visit Russia, it feels great to change environment so drastically. Moscow is very suitable for walking, theaters and museums are great, also it is like going to visit my past. Population in Russia is much less mobile. When I go from metro-station to my mom’s house, I often meet people who new me at 10 years old. There are things that I don’t like here, but no place is perfect.
        Life in USA is more easy, we live in a North Florida, which does not suffer from real estate prices, also we have some seasonal changes (Autumn colors from October till Christmas, first new leaves and flowers at the end of January, azaleas bloom twice a year) People from NY say that summer in NY is hotter than here.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 23, 2012 at 15:36


        I feel the need to tell you about my observations in about 1990 visiting Sebastopol, after a trip through the Boshporous and Black Sea.

        Still all URSS or USSR then, depending.


      • Galina L. on May 23, 2012 at 17:18

        I went there approximately 1987 or 1988 for a business trip, there were no tourists allowed then, and a special security department at my job obtained a visa for me to visit a city in my own country which I wouldn’t have a right to visit without a special clearance. It was so called “closed city” due to being a military base. Surreal indeed.

    • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 12:06

      Hey Galina Lebedev. Thanks for the mention

      Do you think that Nigel & I should do a karaoke of “Little Red Rooster” using M Jagger’s 1965 version?

      OTOH, maybe we don’t have enough Stones for the project.

      BTW, I am simpatico with syncopate.


      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 12:27

        Hey, LenRover,
        I have to admit, sometimes I don’t get all language nuances. From reading your comment I got a sensation that by calling you and Nigel roosters I said something what could be taken as an offence. In such case please excuse me. I just couldn’t put guys who commented on Carbsane blog into chicks category. Are we still friends?

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 13:16

        Well, I had to look up syncopate. I didn’t realize it could mean:

        (transitive, linguistics) to omit a sound or a letter from a word; to use syncope

        I knew the musical def of syncopation (ragtime is an excellent example of syncopation), but not the linguistic definition.

        The Stone’s Little Red Rooster has Brian Jones hitting the upbeat or offbeat with his slide guitar fills hence adding some syncopation. At least that’s what I think he’s referring to. In short, I’m not sure if I get the language nuances and I have a music degree (just a one year certificate) and am a native English speaker

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 14:44

        Sean, thanks for chiming in on this.

        The tune and song I was looking for was “fascinating (not syncopating) rhythm”, but clearly the assonance (NOT arseonance) was sufficient to punch my cues.

        Here’s the Benny Goodman version

        originally George & Ira Gershwin.

        “native English” ?

        I would have thought “native American” but not “Native American”. You note I was careful to describe my birth language as “Hiberno-English”. In my my time I have spoken English and London-English (never Estuary), the Scottish (Edinburgh) variety, could emulate Texan-American and a little Bajan.

        When I was taught grammar & poetry the term used was elision. I was also taught Latin & Gaelic metrical schemes – in which vowel similarities (assonance) was a feature, rather than full vowel and consonant similarities.

        Thus one completes the circle.

        “In my beginning is my end.”
        East Coker

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 16:35

        Leon, sorry, I missed your followup.

        I’m pretty sure the Benny Goodman tune you linked to has a lot of syncopation, the chorus definitely emphasizes the upbeat to the extent that it also rises melodically on the upbeat.

        Yes, perhaps native American is a better term, but Hibernio-English really sounds much cooler, maybe that’s just me having read a lot of Conan books as a kid. There’s so much PC baggage to these sorts of things.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 13:41

        I NEVER take offense, unless it is CLEARLY intended to be derogatory.

        I adore word associations – and like Wilde “I can resist everything except (verbal) temptation”; or “et nos inducas in tentationem” in Gregorian chant.

        In addition, I have been a “sticks and stones etc.” person,as in Swingin’ Dick’s recent post, since age of eight in the school playground.

        Please don’t take my teasing about language and spelling as other than gentle.

        The Victorian weekly Punch used to characterise many Hiberno-English expressions as “Irish Bulls”. I’m sure Russians have similar Ukrainian or Polish Bulls (linguistic bulls).

        As it happened your serendipitous use of syncopate led me to a youtube search on jazz and swing – but alas, I didn’t find the song/tune which had been invoked in my “trivial pursuit” of the association.

        So: Na zdarov’e

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 13:49

        You bloody Irish and your damn talent/fascination with language.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 14:16

        Dare I accept talent as other than faux-ironic?

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 14:24

        LeonRover always cracks me up with his comments, even when he may not have intended it and that’s a big value to me.

        Is this the most international crowd in the paleosphere, or what?

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 14:42

        No irony, Leon. The Irish sure do seem to have a knack for words.

        Of course me granny was from County Cork so I like to think that any meager talent I have as a wordsmith has Celtic origin.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 14:52

        “me granny” was also from Cork, as was her daughter.

        As long as one gets the trigger at the right time (imprinting, Lorenz’ geese, or
        epigenetically, while Kruisin’), the genetic possibilities can happen.

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 15:40

        Well, I’m glad the imprinting didn’t occur with my grandmother’s strong Boston accent.

        “Yeah shooouuure”

        Although, in these days of more and more linguistic homogeneity, especially in North America, it’s rather nostalgic to recall when regional accents were more than a curiosity for Hollywood actors to butcher.

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 15:42

        The people with Irish ancestry I met here were often with unusually beautiful faces or at least with beautiful blue eyes .

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 15:58

        The people I meet here with unusually beautiful faces and eyes usually have Slavic ancestry 😉

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 17:20

        Not my description, though, I look like a Slavic-oriental mix, despite all my known ancestors being Russians with the exception of one German 3 generations ago.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 14:07

        I think the word you wanted to use in your original comment is “sycophant” – though “syncopate” is clearly a lot more fun for certain stone-less Irish guys and half-assed musicians 😉

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 15:04

        Meant to add “Boys just want to have Fun”

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 14:13

        Yeah, LOLOLOL

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 14:24

        Thank you, Marie, you finally solved that mystery for me.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 14:34

        My pleasure Galina. I always enjoy your comments…and I relate, I’m an expat (three-times over) ….and my dad is an engineer (but I got me the Ph.D. in science, so I write better! well, sometimes…. :-))

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 14:35

        I think that there’s an internet rule about that. The typo or mistake is often more clever than the correction.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 14:56

        I zeenk ve are awl Citoyens of ze World in ziz liddle enclave.

        Marie – I is a StillPat, tho’ I have lived in London and parts of USA.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 15:19

        Did I mistype, again? Yes, it’s sycophant.

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 15:49

        No, Galina apparently did, although it made for an interesting sentence either way.

  27. clarevh on May 22, 2012 at 11:10

    Perhaps you are branded a misogynist because you don’t cut slack based on gender. As far as I can discern, you are an equal opportunity “abuser”. 🙂

    • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 11:48

      Exactly right, clarevh. They are the ones focussing on gender. They define themselves by means of anti-definition, what they are not: misogynists.

      “We’re anti-mysogynists and we seek to root it out and expose it wherever it may be.”

      Jebus, can the fucking 70s be over yet? If women have not yet learned wherein their enormous power lies, can’t they simply be dismissed as…ah, likely _important_? (you need to see my previous comment for the usage for that).

      Oh, hell: the French use the word “important” to mean “big.” Yea, Evelyn, really, is creating a site to cater to fat women and how it’s all guys’ (various paleo/lc guys) fault they’re fat and completely undesirable. Yes, they are totally and completely undesirable to an average male, and should be, and blogging and commiserating will never cure the fact that most males wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole…are physically repulsed.

      Yes, fat males have absolutely the same problem. I didn’t fool myself. That was the prime motivation to lose weight. I knew my thin wife loved me, as curious as that may sound, but it was hard to imagine she could actually _desire_ me physically, and fake makes us both liars.

      Evie and her commiserating wankers are just ugly & fat women almost nobody would desire, and there’s my take on it.

      • Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 13:23

        Thank you for the clarification of what you mean under the “important” therm. Not everybody knows French.
        I think people more hard on themselves than their loved ones. Probably, it is better than it would be over-wise.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 14:19

        Ah, Richard was trying to get a bite from the ‘frenchies’ on site – but we were woefully slow.
        Yah, I get to switch from Canuck to frenchie at will now, since I finally Got it above …
        …but still no cookie, I feel deprived and hurt, very hurt – sniff.
        I should go join that other club now I guess – oops, no, I may get rejected at the weigh-in.
        Oh, what’s a girl to do? Dejected by her favorite paleo-guy….sniff sniff.

      • LeonRover on May 22, 2012 at 17:59


        Do remember that to a Brit “frenchies” is QUITE different from “Frenchies”.

        And my Avatar pic consists of a painted tourist Cretan bull lickin’ his nose.
        (I can’t force Blogger to change FTA from Anonymous to Public.)

        Oh, and I love Zorbets.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 18:24

        A Cretan Bull? and you love Zorbets….sigh!
        LeonRover, I think you’re my new favorite paleo-guy. I’m loyal, is what I am.

  28. Sean on May 22, 2012 at 12:11

    Heh heh, psychopath/sociopath is the new ADD for the chattering classes.

    The Last Psychiatrist just did an interesting post about the NYT’s recent “science” journalism on the subject.

    Unfortunately, Richard, it’s probably too late to send you to a special interventionist “summer camp”, you are stuck being a misogynistic, sociopathic, misogynistic, othering, male gazing, narcissistic cunt fuckhead.

    • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 13:36

      Jebus, what the fuck took you so long to show up, Sean?

      Were you slapping around your wife & kid, or something?

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 13:45

        For the sake of efficiency, I like to use my son as a cudgel to beat my wife.

        It also makes for a great upper body workout.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 14:24

        Cudgel? Cudgel?! No cudgels when mentioned when you were dreaming of spanking recently!
        This puts things in a whole different light…. I’m disappointed.
        And hurt, very hurt, now my other favorite paleo guy has let me down. Think I’ll go get me a tub of ice-cream…well, unless there are any other ideas?

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 14:46

        “Think I’ll go get me a tub of ice-cream”

        Please, can we please stop talking about cold therapy?

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 14:52

        No, we can’t. I’ll consider it if you stop beating your wife, but until then, a reader has given me coordinates within minutes in an X5 (it would take longer in lesser driving machines, if you could even call them that) to go get myself frozen in 220 below zero F for 2.5 min in a cryo chamber.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 15:19

        Such naughty thoughts! You’re in big peril. Your punishment :
        Now do pay attention this time, I can’t keep repeating this!

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 15:28

        Ach! We’ve exceeded thread nesting again. My reply is to Sean.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 16:05

        I can’t keep repeating this!”

        Oh yes you can.

      • Sean on May 22, 2012 at 16:06

        Michael Palin getting dragged away from Castle Anthrax is the greatest tragedy of modern cinema.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 16:13

        Yes Sean, I knew you could….commiserate.

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 16:15

        “Oh yes you can” – As you wish, Sir.

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 16:16

        Word, Sean. Amazing how cinema can just cut you to the core like that, eh?

      • marie on May 22, 2012 at 16:37

        Et tu, Richard? Way too much commiserating going on here….

      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 17:01

        Well, I’m not generally miserable. But to think I could get pulled away from misery because it’s too miserable, well, that’s just miserabler.

      • marie on May 25, 2012 at 16:04


      • Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 14:49

        Oh, so I don’t even need to ask when you stopped beating your wife.

  29. Galina L. on May 22, 2012 at 13:29

    Thank you, Sean, for the clarification, I hate to feel that I have no clue upon reading something.

  30. Richard Nikoley on May 22, 2012 at 16:56

    Or maybe both are better. I have access to a sauna and jacuzzi as well. Liked when it was all IJ same place, but I think the messsage ought to be to stress both ways.

  31. Richard F on May 23, 2012 at 22:39

    OK, after spending a few weeks away from the paleo blogosphere — mostly because of the sycophants who endlessly repeat everything someone smarter than them says — I come back to FTA and this happens? Well, I can say that Kruse got screwed hard, you use an “inappropriate” word at an extremely appropriate time, some people got their dicks in a twist, and some people got offended. What the fuck is this, the United States of Act Like A Pussy? Hughes definitely said it best: Well, what happens if you say something and someone gets offended? Well, they get offended don’t they?

    I stumbled through that god awful CarbSanity blog, which really just served to irritate the shit out of me. You and I think too much alike, if they’re offended, fuck’em, the world will still spin on its axis. I tried to get a handle on this whole debacle and it’s just made my head hurt and frankly, I really just do not care one bit any longer.

    My hat’s off to you for sticking to your guns and, rather than being offensive, being honest about this whole thing. We’ve gone far too long in this politically correct brainwashed society to realize that someone being honest isn’t someone being offensive, it’s someone being honest and if your feelings get hurt, it’s your fault, not theirs. Honesty is a virtue, being a coddled wuss isn’t.

    • Sean on May 24, 2012 at 05:23

      “United States of Act Like A Pussy”

      Ha ha, I’m totally stealing that.

  32. LeonRover on May 25, 2012 at 15:02

    Surely “political correctness” & “feeling offended” is prior restraint on “freedom of expression”. No ??

    • Richard F on May 25, 2012 at 15:18

      And how would they be prior restraint? The freedom of expression has been with human society since we were still apes, millions of years ago. The current usage of ‘political correctness’ of self-censure to avoid offending people with sensitive egos has been around since the early 80s.

      Freedom of expression is not freedom from being offended.

      • LeonRover on May 27, 2012 at 15:57

        “post hoc” ?

      • Richard Nikoley on May 27, 2012 at 16:33

        Ergo hoc.

  33. James on June 9, 2012 at 19:02

    Hey Richard

    Love your blog. Steve Huges in this post. One of my favorite comedians

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