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The Great Vitamin D Roundup Part 1

Those who’ve been around for a good long while know that I used to harp endlessly about Vitamin D. It’s been so long this came to light, it almost seems passé—but it’s still critical. While it’s likely our most important supplement owing to the way modern life has nudged us into areas that make us fish out of water, there’s another synergistic supplement that fits the same mold: we don’t get that one as we should either, anymore. Both are critical.

At root: many live at latitudes they didn’t evolve to live in given their skin color (darker skin is more resistant to sunlight and vitamin D synthesis as an evolutionary protection adaptation). To make matters even worse, we shelter ourselves. We cover ourselves. We work indoors. As to the 2nd supplement which I’ll cover in a subsequent post, that one has to do with how we used to eat and don’t, anymore.

What follows is simply a collection of important links to articles and studies I’ve saved up over months, since I last blogged about Vitamin D and before. What’s my purpose? To highlight its wide scope importance. I like to think of it this way: we’re plant Earthlings. Sun worshipers were the first and last understandable, rational religion in the context of available knowledge. Now imagine shielding a plant from Earth’s principal energy source, then fretting about all its health problems as you continue to shield it. I don’t think there’s a material difference…children…

But first, as I always prefer to a list of references, the Big Picture, from a while back:

Why should you keep your vitamin D level around 50 ng/ml?

by Dr. John Cannell

Why should you keep your vitamin D level around 50 ng/ml? Four different sources, using four different rationales, and four different lines of reasoning, all lead to the same conclusion.

First, what is the vitamin D level of our closest simian relatives, such as chimpanzees living wild in Africa? Professor Reinhold Vieth reports the answer is between 40 and 60 ng/ml. This, by itself, does not prove we need such levels, but it certainly raises that question.

Second, what is the vitamin D level of humans who work in the sun without clothes, such as lifeguards, and without supplementing? We lived in the sun for 2 million years, so certainly lifeguards have more natural vitamin D levels than do people who work indoors. Again, the answer is between 40-60 ng/ml. Here, we have stronger naturalistic evidence unless one assumes the vitamin D levels of indoor workers are natural.

Third, what vitamin D levels do women have to achieve to convert from having little to having lots of vitamin D in their breast milk? Professors Bruce Hollis and Carole Wagner recently answered that question, again 40-60 ng/ml, enough to sustain the infant’s vitamin D levels. One could claim breast milk is not supposed to have vitamin D in it, and that primitive man was supposed to expose newborns to sunlight. But then you would be arguing that primitive man was supposed to expose their infants to predators, which I find unlikely. Besides, we know from the second reason that any woman receiving consistent full body sun exposure would have vitamin D in her breast milk.

Finally, what is the vitamin D level of people who show no evidence of substrate starvation? That is, at what level do people begin to store the parent compound (cholecalciferol) in their fat and muscles? Professor Robert Heaney answered that question: around 40 ng/ml. I remember seeing several patients in the hospital who had vitamin D levels of 40-50 ng/ml in February. Both had worked as roofers the summer before and both had worked with their shirts off. The mechanism for humans who migrated away from the equator must have been the same, to store the parent compound in muscle and fat during the summer for use in the winter. The body stores it well before it turns on the enzymatic machinery to get rid of excess vitamin D.

So we have the above four questions, questions from four very different sources. Chimps, outdoor workers, lactating women, and clinical subjects all lead to the same answer: 40 ng/ml is the lower limit of a natural level. Taking into account errors in laboratory testing and variations in human techniques, we must accept what the Endocrine Society recently recommended, that healthy vitamin D levels are somewhere around 50 ng/ml, levels the Vitamin D Council has advocated for the last 8 years.

There’s a lesson in logical deduction for you.

A few of these links require membership in the Vitamin D Council to read fully, which comes at a relatively small price. However, you can also get on their list for free and you will get plenty of articles you can read with no membership. Choice is yours.

Latest on the association between vitamin D and schizophrenia

In a series of recent papers, Professor McGrath and colleagues list the reasons they think vitamin D deficiency causes schizophrenia.

Ultraviolet-B and vitamin D reduce risk of dental caries

Large geographical variations in dental health and tooth loss among U.S. adolescents and young adults have been reported since the mid-1800s. The first study finding a north-south gradient in dental caries was a report of men rejected from the draft for the Civil War for lost teeth, from 8 per 1000 men in Kentucky to 25 in New England.

See Weston Price, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, for the whole scoop on that.

Further evidence that vitamin D and calcium reduce the risk of colorectal cancer

A recent case-control study from Canada found reduced risk of colorectal cancer associated with both calcium and vitamin D [Sun, 2011].

I have been hugely interested in the epidemiology, particularly as charted by latitude, of vitamin D and various cancers. People with brown or darker skin living at higher latitudes are at particular risk.

Vitamin D in diet and depression

“Vitamin D may affect the function of dopamine and norepinephrine, which are monoamine neurotransmitters that are likely involved in depression. Furthermore, vitamin D may modulate the relation between depression and inflammation.”

Type 2 diabetes and vitamin D

Most people know of the childhood autism and asthma epidemics that started in the 1980’s, but few people know of the third childhood epidemic, one that also began in the 1980s, and that is the childhood autoimmune epidemic. The list includes children with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile lupus and juvenile diabetes. Why are so many of our children getting these diseases, diseases that were rare in childhood in the 1950s and 60s and that now literally ravage so many kids?

And yet a fourth childhood epidemic is that of type 2 diabetes, a situation in which insulin has a hard time getting into cells, and in effect, sugar has a hard time getting into cells as well. Thus, sugar goes up in the blood. The key pathology in type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance, where the cells do not respond to insulin optimally. Obesity is associated with insulin resistance but is probably not the actual cause. What is causing so many children to develop insulin resistance?

Association between hypomelanotic skin disorders and autism

Yet another paper by Dr. Muideen Bakare (Federal Neuro-Psychiatric Hospital, Nigeria) and her two co-authors from Harvard are pinning down a relationship between vitamin D and autism.

Vitamin D levels in children with psychiatric disorders

One by one, study by study, organized medicine is beginning to realize that low vitamin D levels may be contributing to the plague of psychiatric disorders that are laying our children low.

The various associations with new childhood issues like the various psychiatric disorders, diabetes (even Type 1), and for God’s sake: rickets!!! enrages me above all else. A perfect storm of dermatologists—arguably the most evil people on the planet, doing multitudes more harm than good as a group—and helicopter parents who somehow are given to the curious notion that human animals have been raising human animal children all wrong for the last few hundreds of thousands of years. Moron followers, outrageous most particularly because of their ignorant pretentiousness. So loathsome.

Evidence to support a vitamin D paradigm shift

Professor Joan Lappe of Creighton University has written an up to date review article on vitamin D that serves as a good primer for anyone just awakened to the “vitamin D revolution.” It is free to download or read online.

Lappe, JM. The Role of Vitamin D in Human Health: A Paradigm Shift. Journal of Evidence-Based Complementary & Alternative Medicine January 2011 vol. 16 no. 1 58-72

Abstract

Journal of Evidence-Based Complementary & Alternative Medicine 16(1) 58-72
a The Author(s) 2011

Vitamin D deficiency is pandemic, spanning many continents and including all ages, genders and racial/ethnic groups. Currently, world-wide attention is focused on the importance of vitamin D in optimizing health and preventing disease. This focus is largely the result of the scientific discovery that vitamin D receptors are present in nearly every tissue and cell in the body and that adequate vitamin D status is essential for optimal functioning of these tissues and cells. An impressive body of research has accumulated over the past two decades providing new information about the role of vitamin D in prevention of a broad range of diseases. The purpose of this paper is to provide a review of this new information.

Clinical trial finds vitamin D increases telomerase activity

Telomeres are regions at the end of a chromosome, which protect the end of it from deterioration, the longer the better. The telomere regions reduce the degradation of genes near the ends of chromosomes by allowing for the shortening of chromosome ends, which necessarily occurs during chromosome replication. Over time, due to numerous cell divisions over your lifetime, the telomeres become shorter.

During cell division, if cells divide without telomeres, they would lose the ends of their chromosomes and the necessary information they contain. The telomeres are disposable buffers blocking the ends of the chromosomes; they are consumed during cell division, but then replenished by an enzyme, telomerase.

Telomerase deficiency is associated with aging, death, obesity, cardiovascular disease, depression and diabetes.

Higher solar UVB during first trimester of pregnancy associated with better fetal development

A study in Greece found that babies born in winter and autumn had higher birth weight, longer gestational age, and two years longer life expectancy than those born in spring or summer [Flouris et al., 2009]. While the author thought the effect was due to environmental temperature, an earlier study from Australia contradicts the hypothesis. It found no effect in temperature change, but rather an effect in sun exposure during the first trimester, resulting in higher birth weights [Tustin et al., 2004].

Strong evidence exists for a beneficial role of vitamin D in reducing risk of cardiovascular disease

An observational study published after (1) was submitted found vitamin D deficiency (<30 ng/ml) significantly associated with coronary artery disease, myocardial infarction, heart failure, stroke, heart failure as well as subsequent death from these diseases in a review of 41,497 subjects in Utah with at least one 25(OH)D measurement between 2000 and 2009 (4). Another observational study published after (1) reported vitamin D deficiency significantly associated with several CVD diseases and CVD mortality rate (5).

Controversy continues in rickets vs. child abuse cases in England

How would you like to be the British pathologist, Dr. Irene Scheimberg? First, she rendered a politically incorrect autopsy report on a couple’s infant, reporting the infant died from vitamin D deficiency, not from child abuse. The state freed the couple only because the baby died, thus making an autopsy possible where Dr. Scheimberg discovered the rickets. If the infant had lived, the state would have taken the infant away, given it formula (with vitamin D) thus destroying the evidence of vitamin D deficiency and jailed the couple for felony child abuse. Only the infant’s death kept the parents out of prison.

Coghlan A:  Murder trial highlights return of Dickensian killer. 05 January 2012 New Scientist

Dr. Scheimberg is exceptionally honest, intellectually I mean. After she found vitamin D deficiency in the couple’s infant and exonerated the couple, she realized that she may have missed vitamin D deficiency as the cause of death in 27 other infants that she has autopsied over the last few years. I don’t know if she plans on redoing the autopsies, only to tell 27 grieving couples that their infant died a completely preventable death; a death directly out of the dark ages.

I can’t even believe this has gotten to the point where Rickets is again a real thing. Only this time, we’re dumber about it which should go to just about everything I write about. Anciently, it was actually properly diagnosed. Today, increasingly, with masses of people deficient in vitamin D owing to the holocaust-level evil perpetuated by the “profession” of dermatology, pregnant women are deficient, they breast feed and protect their babies from a single ray of sunshine, and their babies develop rickets, a condition where bones don’t act properly because their bodies don’t have the necessary substate (vitamin D) to ensure proper mineral distribution to teeth & bones (also a major cause of early tooth decay as documented by Weston Price forever ago).

Rage!

Vitamin D and fertility in men and women

Every year, billions are spent in fertility clinics; the result of which is often in vitro fertilization (IVF). About 5 years ago, I began receiving emails from a nurse practitioner in Indiana who works in a fertility clinic. Her experience was dramatic; 5,000 IU/day for both the man and woman frequently resulted in a healthy baby. However, her last email to me was quite sad, she was in danger of losing her job as her boss, a gynecologist, was losing money due to vitamin D. He ordered her to stop advocating it or lose her job.

Vitamin D deficiency in Saudi Arabian women with fibromyalgia

Generally, the studies showing positive results of treating fibromyalgia with vitamin D come from the Middle East, where vitamin D levels of 3-6 ng/ml in veiled women are common. Today, let’s look at a study from Saudi Arabia that was published in early 2012.

Rage! You know what I mean.

OK. That’s about enough for a single post. I guess I’m going to have to do more of them. That only got me to February of 2012, so I have a year’s worth of links still. I’ll get them out. This is important.

Riddle: What do you call 100,000 dead and dismembered dermatologists?

A good start.

 

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63 Comments

  1. CathereineakaCate on January 9, 2013 at 21:08

    since you love brown, RN

  2. neal matheson on January 10, 2013 at 00:32

    Hunter gatherer Vitamin d-levels;
    “The Hadzabe are traditional hunter-gatherers. Their diet consists of meat, occasional fish, honey, fruits, and tubers. Their mean 25(OH)D was 44 ng/ml and ranged from 28 to 68 ng/ml.”
    Paedatricians are now advising parents not to slather their kids in suncream, I see at the kids activities I go to parents immediatley cover the kids up the moment the anaemic British sun starts to shine.
    ” death directly out of the dark ages.” I suspect no-one and I mean no-one got ricketts in the dark ages.

    • Gabriella Kadar on January 10, 2013 at 04:17

      ” death directly out of the dark ages.” I suspect no-one and I mean no-one got ricketts in the dark ages”

      Need to check on archeological digs for this one. Although possibly osteomalacia in infancy will probably look the same.

      • neal matheson on January 10, 2013 at 07:25

        I was trying to dig up some harder info but came across the gumpf “we don’t know why” etc of which this article is a good example; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/rickets-down-to-poverty-not-sun
        Rickets is far more prevelant in ethnic minorities in the UK but it seems that no-one wants to state the bleedin obvious on this matter.
        I have found some later medieval examples though they seem to come from cities or have been attributed to children “too sick to go outside” the Book “the bioarchaeology of metabloic bone disease” says that diets high in cereals (ooh the heart-healthy whole grains again!) exacerbate the deficiency as does keeping children out of the sun where food is adequate, and the last is illustrated by a study on a Hunter Gatherer people!
        The NHS naturally exort us to eat wholemeal bread and warn us that the sun will burn us to a crisp….especially the kids. I have celtic skin and played outside in the long summer all day without even a whiff of suncream.



  3. liam on January 9, 2013 at 14:51

    Like posts like this.

    • Richard Nikoley on January 9, 2013 at 14:52

      You’re entirely welcome, sir Liam. I’ll do more.

  4. Joshua on January 9, 2013 at 15:54

    Wow – you got a real hard-on for dermatologists huh? I don’t see how they’re a whole lot worse than any other TOP MEN who think they know what’s good for us.

    I’m a teensy tincy bit suspicious that a lot of the links point to the Vit D council. Seems a little self-serving of them. Doesn’t mean it isn’t true though.

    I changed a lot of things last year before going on to lose 102 pounds in 2012 (70+ more to go), so I don’t know if it is correlation or causation, but I think the 5000 IU of Vitamin D I’ve been taking has definitely helped in my weight loss efforts. I’m sure as hell not going to stop taking it here at 45 lat.

    • Richard Nikoley on January 9, 2013 at 16:00

      I haven’t even begun with grassroots health.

      but the argument is invalid on its face. The number of people behind any one idea is irrelevant. You acknowledge this, so I’m not sure why raise the question.

      Incidentally, Cannell does always address all studies that purport no benefit to D. But this is a blog post. Not that I wouldn’t do that, but for now I’m highlighting its importance. For me, its importance is as a priori as it is for a plant. But, there could also be a time for a bit of measured skepticism so that people don’t get the idea that unbridled sun exposure or supplementation is a goo idea.

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 08:35

      “Wow – you got a real hard-on for dermatologists huh? I don’t see how they’re a whole lot worse than any other TOP MEN who think they know what’s good for us.”

      I count them in a particular category. They ACTIVELY agitate against one of plant-man’s most very base requirements for minimal health.

      We are children of the sun. There is simply no doubt about it and their arrogant impudence, children really dying, and you still see shit like “no exposure to the sun is safe.”

      I have zero “measured response” in this regard. I go full Goodwin on them, and I go early.

      • Joshua on January 10, 2013 at 11:09

        I will count myself fortunate then that I have never had any dealings with dermatologists. The harm they did from the mid-80s through the mid 2000s was awful, but I thought it was “common knowledge” by at least a couple of years ago that moderate sun exposure was fundamentally life-enhancing. Sad that I was wrong.

        Would you say the dermatologists are worse even than the low-fat zealots?



      • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 12:23

        “Would you say the dermatologists are worse even than the low-fat zealots?”

        Absolutely. You’re gonna get fat in your diet every day regardless. Even low fat advocates advise some level of fat, about 10% being the MINIMUM recommendation.

        Try getting a derm to advocate 2.4 hours of varied sun exposure. Incidentally, I don’t think laying, baking in the sun is a particularly good idea. I think walking around doing stuff, exposing all the body randomly to the sun is a stellar, natural idea.

        In the summer, I go to a swim club. When not in the pool getting my exposure via refraction and attenuation, I just walk around the pool. Over and over. i might spend a max of 20m laying under the broiler.



  5. Lute Nikoley on January 9, 2013 at 17:26

    Good post, wish more people would pay attention to the importance of Vitamin D. You know mine is higher than what is quoted, but I think that’s OK, better than low.

  6. Gabriella Kadar on January 9, 2013 at 18:21

    Goodness man, it’s not only rickets. A huge percentage of the University of Toronto students have borderline scurvy! What does it take to get adequate vitamin C for heavens sake? Not to mention all the ‘health conscious’ people who are using pure sea salt instead of iodized. We’ve got an epidemic of thyroid problems too. Apparently 50% of the European population is iodine deficient. I don’t know what it is here in North America but iodine deficiency resulting in inadequate thyroid function causes a decrease in intelligence………….

    It’s so ironic. There’s the tech convention in Los Vegas with all the bullshit huge super HD television screens, offsite controls for everything from locking the front door to starting the washing machine. Meantime the ‘smarter’ we get, the stupider we become.

    As an aside I paid $50 to have my vitamin D blood level checked. I am wondering: I take, according to the label on the bottle, 24,000 to 32,000 Vitamin D3 in fish oil weekly. Is it effective? BTW, doses above 1000 IU are illegal in Canada. Getting gel caps at doses of 4,000 IU must be smuggled into the country. It is contraband.

    • Paul N on January 22, 2013 at 00:07

      “BTW, doses above 1000 IU are illegal in Canada. Getting gel caps at doses of 4,000 IU must be smuggled into the country. It is contraband.”

      Not sure what part of Canada you are in, or where it’s illegal, but I bought a bottle of NOW brand 5,000 IU gelcaps in Vancouver last week.
      Can also get D drops, which according to some, are more effective still, and certainly no upper limit on dose there.

  7. Bill on January 9, 2013 at 18:32

    Nice article. and 40 – 50 ng/mL isn’t crazy high either; ie, it’s achievable without the use of mega-dosing vit D supps.

  8. Richard Nikoley on January 9, 2013 at 19:04

    “BTW, doses above 1000 IU are illegal in Canada. Getting gel caps at doses of 4,000 IU must be smuggled into the country. It is contraband.”

    I’d call it a Land of the Free Update, but at least Canada makes no such pretense.

  9. Gabriella Kadar on January 9, 2013 at 19:42

    The article about Saudi Women and Vitamin D doesn’t specify what constitutes a high dose.

    I know in Germany, Turkish immigrants with back pain were given 150,000 IU Vitamin D3 per day and it worked wonders.

    The problem with the vitamin D3 supplement market here is the products have no DIN. Consequently, we can’t be certain if there is the amount stated on the label, more or less or even none. The provincial government health insurance ceased providing ‘free’ blood testing for Vitamin D because most patient’s blood levels did not change despite taking supplements. Of course doctors don’t bother informing the patient that vitamin D3 being fat soluble needs to be consumed with some form of dietary fat. IN addition, patients who have had their gall bladders removed must ingest much higher doses. There are all sorts of medical conditions where people require higher doses in order to ensure sufficient absorption.

    Furthermore, in accordance with ‘risk management’ even if a healthcare professional is ingesting doses of over 2,000IU per day, that person is in violation of the standards of practice set out by their professional licensing body to counsel their patients to do the same. The official recommendation for supplementation is woefully inadequate to boost blood levels to 50ng/ml.

    I don’t know what Dr. Oz recommends.

  10. A.B. Dada on January 9, 2013 at 20:39

    Ass-kicking post. Expect to get a lot of traffic as I cross post it everywhere.

    As a Chicagoan, I save money on-the-regular to keep myself Vitamin D replete naturally. I go to sunny beaches year round and make sure I amp up on natural sunlight (safely, of course). This winter I’ll spend 60% of my days in Florida or Houston or the Caribbean.

    When it’s nice in the Midwest, I move my office sometimes to my rooftop and shrug off my shirt. I’ve had clients meet me up there and I don’t really care if it isn’t work appropriate.

    Vitamin D is probably my go-to resource for my own bio-feedback to having problems. Low sex drive? Not feeling well? Bad sleep? It all seems related to Vitamin D.

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 08:31

      ABD:

      Thanks, man. I can confirm a nice traffic jump. Thanks, sir.

      BTW, Carlson 4000 IU in CLO (not soy oil) are about $15 for 120 gel caps, I think. I typically take 2 per day in the winter and spring, 1 per day in summer & fall. Damn cheap for the most important supp on Earth.

      “Vitamin D is probably my go-to resource for my own bio-feedback to having problems. Low sex drive? Not feeling well? Bad sleep? It all seems related to Vitamin D.”

      Someone in comments mentioned the possibility of added vit d from release of fat stores. Interesting. I found that significant fasting always brought on the wood.

  11. Question 4 Rich on January 9, 2013 at 22:22

    Continuing from our previous conversation, I guess the point with me is your body is the representative for the type of eating plan you follow. If you are going to berate vegans for being sickly, skinny, or whatever, then we expect you to be the picture of health. Not me specifically, I’m speaking in general, what people expect from others who are very vocal about their health opinions.

    A good example would be this raw vegan hottie. While I’m not a vegan myself…. HOT DAYUM! if that ain’t some hot juicy man-meat!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDqkSV8SP2Y&list=UU-d4Bv8Aj3c9C-mkk7VqO3A

    • neal matheson on January 10, 2013 at 00:35

      How long as he been vegan? Will he remove this video when (not if) he stops being vegan.

    • Tim on January 10, 2013 at 00:46

      I’m not saying he’s dishonest, but I’m as skeptical of vegan bodybuilders as I am of born-again -Christian teenage boys who claim they don’t masturbate.

      It’s easy to claim and virtually impossible to disprove…

    • Jozef Varhaník on January 10, 2013 at 03:32

      I don’t see any 1000lb squats being done in that vid. Just some partial leg pressing.

      • Joshua on January 10, 2013 at 06:13

        This.

        I’m indeed impressed with his strength, but he’s NOT doing squats & titling the vid with that is disingenuous at best.



    • AJ on January 10, 2013 at 08:38

      Didn’t see any squats being done.

      • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 08:59

        Me either, AJ. I didn’t even look at the video. I saw it was being done on an incline press from the static image of the video and just eye rolled. At most, that’ s 60% of the real weight. Second, it’s a leg press, not a swat and I have thousands of reps on such machine. I can do about 500# for many reps, like 30. I can do the verical leg press maxed out 480# or something like that and lower with one leg.

        The world of vegan. Where stuff millions of meat-eating guys can do without tooting horns about it is suddenly super human. What a cloistered, confirmed bias choir they live in.

        Plus, it’s just funny. They don’t even get how it undercuts their own message. Wow! ours very top are almost as good as mundane omnivore gym rats.

        …I won’t even get into how he actually built the strength to do that in the first place. Raw vegan? Bullshit.



      • Question 4 Rich on January 11, 2013 at 13:12

        Who looks better?



      • Richard Nikoley on January 11, 2013 at 13:20

        He does. How old is he? How did he look at 25 vs. how I did, now at 52.

        Well, you are at least a measured troll, so it’s fine. But you still haven’t addressed the scam and fraud of the deal anyone who’s actually been in a gym would spot in a second, and why I didn’t even watch the video. But, you are a bit trollish, so I get it.

        BTW, I’d be interested to see if he can do a real dead lift, since he has to lie to make you think he’s doing a real squat.

        Me. 305#. Real DLs.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyqat37UGiU&feature=youtu.be



  12. Russell C on January 9, 2013 at 22:56

    What do people make of the magnesium guy?He was on Sean Croxtons show a while back talking about the dangers of too much vitD.

  13. Tim on January 10, 2013 at 00:38

    It’s not hard to imagine that the immediate increase in wellness from sustained fat loss has a lot to do with the release of fat-trapped vitamin D.

  14. el-bo on January 10, 2013 at 01:41

    thanks for the article

    any recommendations for supplements ??

    vit d and calcium maybe….would a good fish oil cover it ?? if so, which ??

    thanks

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 08:01

      el-bo

      You might browse through the general supplements category:

      Specifically:

      https://freetheanimal.com/2011/08/the-supplements-i-take-and-why-i-take-them.html

      • el-bo on January 10, 2013 at 09:41

        thanks, that´s helpful

        bit wary of fish oils but will have to read more

        i am eating mussels, prawns and sardines on an almost daily basis…sometimes adding in other fish…it´s a lot of fish but i might give supplementation a shot

        no problem getting sun here from may onwards, but it´s mainly cold and miserable till then

        can´t really afford much more than one…maybe two

        will look into some brands

        cheers



      • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 10:37

        el-bo

        Yea, drop all fish oils if you are eating fish and shellfish. I do. Except for the 1/2g of krill.



      • el-bo on January 10, 2013 at 10:42

        gonna search for some roe this week which should round it all off nicely

        good that i can probably avoid the oil for now

        thanks again



  15. Carlos on January 10, 2013 at 03:14

    Here in Spain, babies born in winter get vitamin D supplements. Also I was recommended to let my newborn have some sun, at least 15min. every day. I don’t know why is different in other countries

    • gallier2 on January 10, 2013 at 04:29

      In France also. My son got a 200,000 IU capsule at 3 month of age (in february 2005).

  16. TempestTcup on January 10, 2013 at 05:52

    My husband & I started sunbathing last summer after reading Hawaiian libertarian’s post on it. I went out 3 or 4 times a week in a bikini in my back yard for 30 to 45 minutes. It was amazing what it did for my skin; a couple of skin problems that I thought were caused by the sun cleared up.

    I don’t know if it made my skin thicker & more elastic or if it smoothed the fat under my skin, but my belly was nice, smooth & brown (& I am old!). Quite a few of the days I went out it was well over 100F, but I never burned. I didn’t get very dark, just a nice golden brown. Oh, & sunbathing makes my husband extremely horny! Bonus!

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 07:22

      Since I began supplementing vitamin d I have never gotten another sunburn.

  17. John on January 10, 2013 at 07:16

    Ever since I was a kid, I’ve had Keratosis Pilaris on my arms and legs, which is basically unattractive red bumpy skin. As a kid, my parents and I tried all sorts of dermatologist prescribed creams and lotions, and they never seemed to do anything, good or bad. Of course, they did cost money and were various degrees of annoying. Only two things seem to have been effective in improving it. The first was the passage of time, as they faded to some degree as I aged. The second was this whole paleo thing. I can’t say for sure if it was diet, Vitamin D supplements, other supplements or the extra sun I’ve been getting, (or a combination of all those things), but my skin has been looking better and better. Also, the skin that gets the most sun looks the best, while the skin that’s covered the most still has the reddest bumps.

  18. beans mcgrady on January 10, 2013 at 07:36

    Anyone have any information on VIT.D absorption at higher altitudes?
    I wonder about this one. I have lived between 7-8000 feet for about five years. One definitely burns more quickly than at sea level. It gets me wondering if D absorption also happens more quickly. If so then there is no problem as far as getting enough from the sun, but if not it might take a little more diligence(shorter, more frequent exposure) Get my drift?
    Any information anyone might have access to would help. thanks.

  19. Peggy the Primal Parent on January 10, 2013 at 07:56

    Brilliant riddle. I’d love to see all my old dermatologists dead and dismembered. Or at the very least their medical license revoked.

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 08:20

      Oh I don’t know how brilliant. It’s just a takeoff on the old ‘bunch of lawyers at the bottom of the sea’ lawyer joke.

  20. Dane on January 10, 2013 at 08:54

    I found alternating days with mega loads of D blows up my weights, especially in the winter time. I even feel it if I take 10k preworkout, I know I will shit on my snatches. Actually, Richard I believe your blog is what put me onto D…thanks asshole!

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 09:01

      Dane:

      You’re welcome, sir.

  21. Melanie on January 10, 2013 at 13:00

    This is very good timing, as I’ve been thinking that I need to supplement Vitamin D. I thought it would be a good idea to help with my skin issues (I originally got on to paleo by trying to treat myself for out of control eczema that dermatologists wanted to just give me increasingly strong steroid creams and antibiotics for….grrrrrrr!) Then I got freaked out by conflicting testimonies about poisoning oneself with it and put it aside for a time. Now, I’m going to get started. Sounds like 5,000 IU/day is a good start. I’m wondering if you’re planning to do anything on fish oils, including fermented cod liver oil. I get paralyzed with indecision reading different sources. I’ve been taking fermented cod liver oil for a while, but haven’t been able to do enough research to convince myself of the validity of taking anything else, and sometimes wonder if I really need/want the FCLO. Namely, reading the Perfect Health Diet suggested that minimizing all PUFA, not just Omega-6, is for the best. It’s a lot of work figuring this shit out for yourself, which is why most people just do what their doctors tell them. Of course, if I’d done that I’d still be itching and rash-covered and about 15 pounds heavier.

  22. Eric on January 10, 2013 at 13:03

    Jenny Ruhl seems to be a pretty careful researcher. She wrote books like Diet 101 and Blood Sugar 101 and is concerned about the interaction between Vitamin D and Calcium raising blood pressure. I recommend taking a look at this, including the comments:
    http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2010/06/too-much-vitamin-d-and-calcium-trouble.html

    • Richard Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 13:24

      Gimme a break. 1000 IU, then 2000IU?

      I’ve been doing about 8000 IU for fucking years.

      I hate stupid anecdotes. If you’re going to do an anecdote, make it fucking dramatic or shut the fuck up.

      I have never considered Jenny much worth listening too. Sorry. Even way back when Stephan highlighted her. I looked, Meh.

    • Lute Nikoley on January 10, 2013 at 13:30

      I started out with 6K IU D, my blood test was 93 ng/ml, then i lowered to 4K IU a day, I haven’t checked for a year, but I have a physical coming up in Feb. with blood test and will then find out about my present level of D.

    • Joshua on January 10, 2013 at 15:15

      Interesting anecdote, but I’ve been doing 5k to 6k Vit D for about a year & even at 300 lbs I had BP of 100/70 with no meds. I haven’t been directly supplementing calcium, but I’ve been hitting the green leafies & dairy pretty hard.

      Maybe it’s that white male thing she was talking about. I am a special snowflake.

  23. Marc on January 10, 2013 at 15:09

    N=1,

    Word to the wise errrr specifically red heads…

    My wife and brother in law both red heads absorb supplemental vit d much faster than others….just like in nature.

    So if your a red head make sure you get your levels tested……you can quickly go over the 100 Ng/ml level
    My hot red head wife was at 122……

    Crucial supplement I believe….. Like you Richard I never got burnt again since I started taking vit D. (Carlson drops and capsules for me too)

    Marc

    • neal matheson on January 10, 2013 at 22:29

      The take home here is that not only have people from (or with skin evolved for) sunnier climes migrated north but that many of us from (or with skin evolved for) northern climes have migrated south!

  24. SteveRN on January 13, 2013 at 14:01

    Can’t wait to see what your 2nd supplement will be. I am going to guess either Vitamin K, or Magnesium. If it is not Mag, do you have any thoughts on Mag supplementation, if so, would love to hear your take. I have been reading some of Morley Robbins stuff ) , even went ahead and sprung for the hair mineral analysis and a phone consult with him. Not really necessary, he gives plenty of info for free, like you, on his blog. But I have decided to start investing some of my money on me, the way I want, instead of what my doctor or insurance company thinks is right for me. Not a bad $100 investment, I think. Any way, he seems to advocate that proper Mg levels will lesson the need for D supplementation, and that Mg is, like D, almost impossible to get adequate levels of today, due to soil depletion, treated water, demand from our bodies due to stress, and contamination like fluoride in the water. Did not quite understand the mechanism for the Mg/D connection as he explained it, his writing style is not always as understandable as you pull off. Any thoughts?

    • Richard Nikoley on January 13, 2013 at 14:34

      Yea, Steve, it is K2, but I consider Mag #3. I have a post of the supplements I take and why I take them.

      What type of mag does he recommend? Oxide is worthless. I take Malate.

      • SteveRN on January 13, 2013 at 21:38

        His recommendations vary, depending on the situation someone is asking him about. He always recommends trans-dermal, either from Epsom salt baths, daily or twice a day depending on how low your Mg RBC level is, or from Magnesium oil. Both are cheap and effective. His go-to oral form is Malate, a slow release brand, to help with any unpleasant side effects that may occur. http://www.jigsawhealth.com/ This is what I take, 1000 mg a day for right now, till I get my Mg RBC up. No Mg related bowel problems, even at that level. I know he has mentioned Mg L-Threonate, which I think is supposed to more easily cross the blood-brain barrier, and so he will recommend that for specific conditions. He is not a big Oxide fan either. In several posts he discusses the benefits, absorption rates and drawbacks of different forms. He is anti-calcium supplementation, the theory being that most people get enough Ca, but Mg is leached from the bones to balance Mg/Ca blood ratios. Take more Ca (prescription from the MD for most women), leach more Mg, leads to more osteoporosis via Mg loss. Seems to make sense, on the surface at least, to me. Everyone and her mother takes Ca supplementation these days on orders from the doctor, yet osteoporosis is on the rise. Seems like something is not adding up in the standard treatment. D or Mg, or both, would explain that.



  25. Dr. Curmudgon Gee on January 16, 2013 at 22:38

    Thanks.

    Paul Jaminet wrote an article on about Adan Lanza. he lived in the basement.

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  27. Walter on January 17, 2013 at 20:18

    Latitude has less to do with whiteness of skin than from food. If it was latitude the Inuits would all be white but they are not because they get lots of Vit D from their diet of oily fish and meats. If you plot where skin whiteness is maximum it turns out to be where wheat was eaten a lot (centered around northern Germany). Wheat has zero Vit D so evolution took over and people with the whitest skin survived the best because they produced the most Vit D given the amount of sunlight available.

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