Friday Morning Observations (Robb Wolf, Brothels, Reddit, Milk Love, Human Passion)

Time to take some assessments. Do I know what I’m doing to continue to build an increasingly better, varied, diverse blog or not? I suppose it depends on your standards. As I always say: I only deal in love & hate. I have no tolerance for indifference. Indifference is death.

Are people indifferent to your blog, to your actions, to your ideas? Do they give you no passion, no outbursts of love & adoration, or hate & scorn? If not, then you have a problem. You’re not making a mark in anyone’s life; and in the final dusty, worm & maggot ridden-analysis, you’ll only ever be remembered for the passion, the emotions you caused in the lives of others. …Y’know, like endlessly detailing the results of randomized controlled medical trials—shit like that: get’s ’em every time. Right there.

~ Robb Wolf is my Hero today. Check this out. In the midst of all the scorn heaped upon him for…what was it, again…? Oh, yea, saying a bad word to a girl on Twitter who said it first. Anyway, in the midst of all that, did Robb cower down, run & hide, take aims to conceal what he was going to do next? Uh, hardly. He went and did a Paleo presentation at the famous Nevada brothel, Bunny Ranch“Sexy Girls, Great Drinks & Fine Cigars since 1955.”

…’Can we get some help over here, guys? Robb seems to be having a bit of difficulty dragging his enormous balls around.’

Oh, my. When I saw Brooke Taylor’s Tweet this morning (19k Twitter followers while only following 300), Retweeted by Robb—“BIG thanks to @robbwolf for coming out to talk to all of us at the #bunnyranch today!! YOU ROCK!!”—I could hear the sound of paleo Panties getting bunched up from coast to coast.

Way to go, Robb. That’s the way to look indifference in the eye and kick its ass. I’m hanging my head in shame, today. …Overwhelming feelings of unworthiness.

~ If you saw the update to my offer of detente, yesterday, the offer is off. Not that I had the slightest inclination to seriously think there would even be a negotiation—it was simply to have something of record to point to in the future. Though, the offer was sincere and serious. It’s simple, really. Those two miscreants—in the worst sense of the word—operate under two delusions, that 1) my stature in the paleo community is mostly driven by various high profile folks who promote what I do from time to time. Hence, the efforts to publicly shame them into denouncing me, ignoring me, or whatever. And 2) They assume that writing c-word laden rants about them harms me and helps them, and so in the words of McEwen, “He doesn’t have anything to negotiate with.”

C-word posts and the like are to drive attention and passion, love & hate; and predictably, traffic is up about 100% over the last few days (there’s more than one kinda whore, see?). Yea, I could have done posts about the excruciating intricacies of some new randomized, double-blind, controlled medical trial. But I wanted more than three people awake for this one. Let me illustrate the delusions some people harbor about how things really work when dealing with real, live, emotional, excitement and drama-driven, imperfect, lovable human beings. Reddit popped onto the radar screen in the referral logs yesterday.

Can we drop the Richard Nikoley link from the faq?

The guy has completely lost his shit and I feel embarrassed/ashamed that /r/paleo is a potential endorser of him and his site.

This is part of a broader paleo(tm) meltdown, which Nikoley has largely driven himself.

Also this is a throwaway account to avoid the wrath of Nikoley (who lost his shit over /r/paleo some time ago as well)


Didn’t really bother to wade through all the “yea, me too” comments, just dropped my own.

That’s cool, folks. No wrath. Perhaps a bit of irony, though.

It might interest you to know that reddit has always been a poor traffic source for me and if it wasn’t for Fat Bread, barely on the radar. Just checked Google analytics.

For the 225K visits and 440K plus page views since Jan 1, reddit is 13th on the list. 80% of my traffic comes from natural Google search and direct [not referrals from high profile Paleos]. Reddit sent me 1,500 visits in those nearly 3 months.

But, if I drop the date range by a couple of days to exclude this post, reddit goes to 16th on the list, 993 visits.

So thanks for the 50% increase in just a couple of days. I’ll be sure and mention it.

Alright, I’ll leave you to your cloister of purity with best wishes for a very pure and unadulterated continued existence.

See what happened there? Accidental, to be sure. Look, you either deal in the milieu of the real reality of human beings, or you get all delusional and idealistic, and nobody gives a shit about you, what you do, what you say or what you think.

Moreover, if I did have to make a choice between being loved or hated? I’d pick hate every time, because in the end, it’s just a more complex form of love.

~ Huge positive response to my Milk Diet Update yesterday, in newsletter form. It’s really cranking up, questions and comments galore, and even a few people interested to naturally reign in their taste for The Devil’s Potion as well. Those who subscribe will get an email (takes about an hour, so be patient) with links to the past three weeks of updates, the last being by far the most extensive—and I only covered about half of what I wanted to relate, owing to length constraints. Next week.

…The most important aspect of the love & hate dynamics of passion in which I’m so privileged to deal…calling the shots 100% how I want, 100% of the time—with zero care over how perceived by assholes and morons—is: me, myself & I.

It’s just simple honesty about just about everything, and you can never fake it. So whether it’s calling some chicks the c-word in a rant, blogging about drinking too much or lighting up now & then, or taking a toke of herb, or celebrating the fact that a guy will openly go help some prostitutes and their clients, or going against all the groupthink to stand against that groupthink in matters of justice for stupid kids, it’s all and always only about calling things how I see them for reals and none of the stupid mundane bullshit people engage everyday so people will fake liking them. You think the people who openly proclaim their love or like for a shit stirrer like me are faking it to be nice? Think about that. The love & hate I deal in is genuine.

The root of all human and societal problems is dishonesty. We all exist somewhere on the spectrum and everyone has elements of both. At both extremes, boring. Honesty does not mean you tell everyone every detail about your life, else they become indifferent via desensitization. Nor do you play dishonest, out-of-context bites like Melissa McEwen and Evelyn Kocur do on the far extreme of dishonesty, just like a politician—and they’re fooling less and less assholes and morons every day.

It’s context.

In the end, it’s whatever I can do to preserve the passon, because the passion is what drives the attention and the attention is what drives the improvements in real lives in all facets of the things in which I deal. What drives it all is building trust; not false, faked adoration based on groupthink standards of “popularity.” It’s fine to be an attention whore. At least do it on your own terms and not terms dictated by the lowest common denominator of assholes and morons in politically correct and acceptable society. Trust is derived from people knowing without a doubt that you’re not lying. You’re telling the truth as you see and judge it; doing so in an honest, open way without the scheming and manipulating and engineering of context to out-of-context and non-sequitur proportions. The weirdest thing of all?

The people who hate you the most also trust you the most.

Richard Nikoley

I'm Richard Nikoley. Free The Animal began in 2003 and as of 2021, contains 5,000 posts. I blog what I wish...from health, diet, and food to travel and lifestyle; to politics, social antagonism, expat-living location and time independent—while you sleep—income. I celebrate the audacity and hubris to live by your own exclusive authority and take your own chances. Read More


  1. SteveRN on March 22, 2013 at 10:43

    Has the newsletter gone out? Sounds like it did, but has not shown up in my in-box, I have been anxiously awaiting a milk update! I checked, looks like I am still on your subscription list, and I have gotten all the daily updates.

  2. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 10:51

    Steve, the RSS and email subscriptions are not the same as the newsletter. Completely different. See the links to the subscription for, or subscribe on the sidebar on the newsletter part, not the part with the yellow RSS icon.

  3. Leigh on March 22, 2013 at 10:53

    Well, on the topic of whores…

    I really enjoyed the documentary, Whore’s Glory. It’s on Netflix. It’s meditative, strangely enough.

    They’re just working people and there is dignity in that. I was glad to hear about what Mr. Wolf did.

    [Continuing on the topic of whores (?) I bought your hyperlink book yesterday, and am newly motivated to lift weights again. I tend to get bored with it, but perhaps an ipod will help. I’m drawing up my workout plan, now. What you wrote about how it helps blood pressure really sealed the deal for me (140/90). I tried the “Dash Diet” in the past. “Gee golly, why am I miserable AND not seeing results? Gee wiz!?” We know the answer to that. Dreadful.]

  4. 30 muffins a day on March 22, 2013 at 10:57

    Fuck Paleo, fuck diet gurus, fuck restricted diets. Don’t make food to your enemy, let it be your friend. Love carbs, love proteins, love fats, love sugar and you will be a better person and feel better.

  5. Eboyette on March 22, 2013 at 11:08

    The funny thing is there is probably nothing more Paleo than eating your own kind.

    Richard you are entertaining, if something you write doesn’t look entertaining or thought provocative – I don’t read it. That’s the great thing about the internet, barring popups if I don’t want to see your mug, or read your words I don’t have to. Overall you are generally producing something.

    On the other hand if a person exists solely to criticize, to undermine, or harm someone’s living:

    Deutoronomy 24:6
    No man shall take the nether or the upper millstone to pledge: for he taketh a man’s life to pledge.

    It’s foul.

    “Don’t call us harpies!”

    “Are you going to stop screeching, nagging, and whining?”

    “No we are going to double down, we just don’t want to be called out on it!”

    Allrighty then!

  6. Tom on March 22, 2013 at 11:57

    I’m a big Robb Wolf fan.

    If these harpies think they can destroy him they are overestimating their stature by a hilarious margin.

  7. SteamboatOperator on March 22, 2013 at 12:21

    Hey Richard, what do you get out of offering your milk updates via your newsletter rather then just updating the blog?

  8. Om Shanti Om on March 22, 2013 at 12:26

    So basically those two ladies critiqued some paleo writers ideas about food and then you critiqued them and then it turned into a drama? Does that sum it up?

    Doesn’t sound all that important or anything to get worked up over.

    I also asked elsewhere in your blog (can’t find it now) about using the word “paleo” in reference to things other than food. How does that work and can you give some examples?

  9. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 12:28


    You go, girl. Doesn’t count unless you get too bulky. 🙂

    Heartwarming, which is always better than money. Though, I will be sure to enjoy your well spent 2-3 bucks (my cut) once it filters down.

    Let me know how it goes.

  10. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 12:33

    “Hey Richard, what do you get out of offering your milk updates via your newsletter rather then just updating the blog?”

    Nefarious intent. You just wait. See, that’s why you should just hate me. For then, you would already know that and trust in it.

  11. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 13:23

    Shit 30 muffins, why are you wasting your time on a little blog like this? You’ve got muffins to eat.

  12. wilberfan on March 22, 2013 at 13:41

    “I only deal in love & hate.”

    For some reason that reminds me of something (Ken) Wilber wrote once. Quoting someone quoting Ken:

    “The phrase, fuck it or kill it, first appeared in the book A Brief History of Everything by philosopher Ken Wilber. “Testosterone basically has two, and only two, major drives: fuck it or kill it,” alleges Wilber.”


  13. Om Shanti Om on March 22, 2013 at 14:01

    “The phrase, fuck it or kill it, first appeared in the book A Brief History of Everything by philosopher Ken Wilber. “Testosterone basically has two, and only two, major drives: fuck it or kill it,” alleges Wilber.”

    Wilber is wrong and its a very poor view of testosterone which provides drive, focus, motivation and a whole slew of positive, life enhancing characteristics in men and women both.

    Plus is plageurism of Vivekananda and Aurobindo, bascially claiming their ideas as his own, without giving due credit is problematic.

  14. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 14:23


    There’s 3,500 posts on the blog going back to 2003. Paleo didn’t begin until 2007 and only got into real swing by 2009.

    The search engine works well. Whatever you may wonder about what I thing, it’s there. Paleo beyond diet? Same thing. I was paleo, just didn’t know it and I believe you’ve also seen my anarchy series that I presented at Harvard Law for AHS.

  15. Robb Wolf on March 22, 2013 at 15:26

    Wanted to say “Thanks” to Richard for posting this.

    Some possibly interesting backstory:
    Richard shot me the updated C-word post. I thought it was actually going to curry hysterical favor for people who do nothing but try to tear this whole thing down. Richard and I had a bit of back and forth on it, essentially “agreeing to disagree” and that was that. No internet bombings, no emotion filled whoopee-cushions. Today, on the heels of my visit to the Bunny Ranch, we have this. Bigger picture, more important stuff.

    As to the visit to the Bunny Ranch, some folks who seem to get a lot of mileage out of the misogyny card gave me a pretty good ration for doing that talk. Actually MAKING FUN OF HOOKERS AND PROSTITUTES, and the fact I’d stoop so low as to interact with these people. THIS passes the sniff test because the vitriol is being dispenssed by women? Really?

    The reason I ended up at this talk is one of the girls who works at the ranch had polycythemia, horrible anemia and a number of other problems. This girl is a documentary film buff and, while watching the Perfect Human Diet, heard about some issues that reminded her of her own condition. She bought my book, ate paleo and reverssed a condition that had nearly debilitated her for 6 years. So, not only is this woman being made fun of by, misogyny concerned women, but indirectly so too was her condition and ability to do what a slew of doctors could not do: Get her healthy.

    And here I thought “women’s health” “self empowerment” were important topics.

    As an aside, before I started with my talk the girls and Dennis Hoff went through some basic housekeeping and business stuff. They do this every thursday, and part of this process is that two personal bankers from WellsFargo come to the ranch to talk to the girls about their retirement, investments, insurance etc. EVERY WEEK this happens. Dennis made the point several times during a perhaps 20 min period “You girls are making good money right now, but what you will be able to do when you are ready to move on will be dependent on what you do WITH that money. Take advantage of the help these people are offering.”

    So, the hypocrisy of M&E are almost painful. And as usual, completely self serving.

    And in a Libertarian vane, it is also telling that when you legalize and regulate certain “questionable”industries, you tame some of the worst infractions agains liberty and freedom. Some of these girls make high 6 figure incomes and will, after some years of undoubtedly hard work, be able to choose a variety of paths. The places where prostitution is illegal (almost everywhere else in the US) the Black Market produces the equivalent of slave labor.

    I was such a misogynist that I’m one of the ONLY speakers that they requested return to talk more about this stuff. What a complete dick I must be.

  16. LaurenR on March 22, 2013 at 15:46

    Richard and Robb,
    Thanks for the straight talk. I don’t like the expletives but whatever. I use the Paleo diet solution to help my patients decrease whole body inflammation. It works, they get better and some lose weight as well. This drama has been tiresome, but has lead me to other sites I would not have known about without it. That’s where we grow and learn, eh? Name calling has not helped anyone but I get the anger over the abuse from those that do not deal with patients/clients that need our help. Just my two cents.

  17. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 15:54

    Where have you been, wilberfan? I hate it when you don’t comment more often. You are always sane, which I love. 🙂

    Yin yang. There are many ways to express it. “Balance” works too.

  18. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 16:01

    “Plus is plageurism of Vivekananda and Aurobindo”

    How about DiVinci? 🙂

  19. Robb Wolf on March 22, 2013 at 16:11

    I need to apologize to Melissa, she did NOT say anything negative about sex workers, that was only Evelyn. My bad and sincere apologies on that count.

  20. Dustbunny on March 22, 2013 at 16:47

    Richard, I’m curious about your statement that Paleo didn’t begin until 2007. I remember hearing about the “caveman” diet at least as far back as the 1990’s. What happened in 2007 to make Paleo distinctive?

    • Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 17:59

      I meant for me. I caught that ambiguity in a read after publishing but decided to let it ride.

  21. Dan on March 22, 2013 at 17:23

    Man I used to agree with you. But now I just can’t be bothered stirring the pot. I find that there is a sick cycle in the paleosphere of people bickering, and patting people on the back for sharing beliefs even if sometimes they are wrong.

    Now I just cook, post my food, and thats it. I feel much happier and chilled. I will die happy:)

    • Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 18:00

      Dan, you forgot the part in our list where you read this blog.

  22. Richard Nikoley on March 22, 2013 at 18:03

    Well all hold our breaths for the time when Melissa admits a misstep or overreach on anyone’s account.

  23. SteveRN on March 22, 2013 at 18:05

    Yeah, I just tried to re-subscribe to the newsletter, the system said I was already subscribed. I guess when I get next weeks, it will have a link to this weeks?

  24. marie on March 22, 2013 at 20:32

    Robb Wolf, well done.
    Legalized prostitution protects women, like legalized drugs protect the users.
    Frankly though, even if you were giving the information to a group of back-alley hookers, it would just be More praiseworthy to be actively helping these women and the polar opposite of ‘misogynistic’ in any sane understanding of that word.
    Such an attack really shows up the rank stupidity of the attacker and I refuse to give her more traffic so I haven’t gone to read the latest, exactly because I know I can trust the descriptions from you and Richard – reputation matters, it’s based on positive actions, so you have it and she doesn’t.
    Thank you for everything you create and share.

  25. mm on March 22, 2013 at 20:53
  26. Steve Pender on March 23, 2013 at 05:02

    I'd bet 90% of readers don't care about the gossip and feuding. All we're looking for is good content with good ideas to improve our lives. I recommend less "feud updates."

  27. Eboyette on March 22, 2013 at 23:17

    Something I don’t understand is these women appear to be attacking Robb’s livelyhood, the way he makes his money trying to damage his image. As far as I can tell this is just a hobby for them, if they get criticism even over the top big whoop.

    Ultimately is seems like a desire to manipulate and control, do what I want regarding some odd pairing or a cruise, and people didn’t dance their tune so it’s harpies away!

  28. mm on March 22, 2013 at 23:35

    Eboyette: their behaviour reminds me of the concept of the “Internet Tough Guy”… but I guess it would be “Internet Tough Cunts” for these women. Just don’t tell *them* that – apparently words may in fact break their bones, wherever they come from

  29. Paul on March 23, 2013 at 07:38

    Reddit is the most whining and uber-pc community I’ve ever encountered. Just have a look at the front page. The “Evil Rich are evil” scheme gets upvoted every day.

  30. Todd on March 23, 2013 at 08:08

    I fail to see how something like paleodrama is of any positive value. It’s sole purpose is to air supposed dirty laundry and drive a wedge between others. Hardly constructive (unless one sees perpetuating schoolyard bullshit somehow as a value.) if one is a proponent of improvement of self and society/community. I kinda thought the whole backbone of the paleo community was improvement of oneself and those around them. If not, I guess I missed the boat on that one.

  31. Libby on March 23, 2013 at 09:34

    It seems to me that E and M are emotionally stunted. They are equivalent to junior high school mean girls who self righteously make fun of people’s acne or poor clothing choices. This isn’t to say they aren’t intelligent in some ways, they just keep their focus on being mean, hoping this will increase their stature in the eyes of others or something. It makes them feel “big”. I personally will never read anything about them or by them again, so I hope you guys stop talking about them (please?)! As far as Robb speaking with the women at the Bunny Ranch…well gee, aren’t they people too? Feminism is all about women’s choices, as long as it’s not hooker or housewife. Stupid. Mean. I love real Paleo people!

  32. Libby on March 23, 2013 at 10:32

    I was just thinking….maybe the problem for E and M is that Paleo lends itself to traditional male-female roles, ultimately? There’s no getting around human breastmilk being the best food for human babies, which naturally will encourage mother-child traditional bonding. So, is Paleo not compatible with feminism?

  33. mm on March 23, 2013 at 11:52

    Libby, it’s also possible that E and M have simply nothing else to do to increase and maintain their social status because they’re not as skilled or competent as people like Sisson, Wolf, Nikoley & others that can make good contributions to the paleo & science-based health movement.
    So, to get some kind of attention and respect, they’re filling a market niche by being moralizing social critics, only, they’re not very good at it, doing things like acting easily offended, because of either the dunning-krueger effect (wiki it!) or because deep down they don’t care about things like gender equality & fighting oppression – they just want drama and for people to agree with them.

  34. Richard Nikoley on March 23, 2013 at 11:54

    “I recommend less “feud updates.””

    There will be less feud updates. The updates there will be, will be done in a completely different way, which you’ll get a chance to see very soon.

  35. mm on March 23, 2013 at 11:59

    Paul: not sure why, but your comment kind of reminds me of this:

    …the closest thing an atheist with an interest in the liberal arts will ever get to Hell…

    The begging is a little slow but then,

    “So imagine my desolation upon “learning” that the very things that had always made teachers like me the best were now the very things that, apparently, made me evil. The books and history I knew about were oppressive and canonical, and existed only to be struggled against, rather than praised—they were sad trash. My “right” answers were only the viewpoints of the status quo. The fact that I talked the most was no longer a plus, because I was obviously only talking that much in an effort to “silence” the girls. My very desire to be good at school itself was fascist. Good students were now bad students. Not knowing things was now superior to knowing things. Fair was foul, and foul was fair.”

  36. Richard Nikoley on March 23, 2013 at 12:41

    “Reddit is the most whining and uber-pc community I’ve ever encountered. ”

    Yea, but what makes it such a crack up and adorable is that they don’t seem to have even the slightest clue about that, at least r/paleo. That’s the place to go for a decent laugh over sanctimony, doctrine, dietary correctness, etc.

    If they didn’t exist, someone would have to invent them.

    I just checked and sure enough, my comment that’s posted here was deleted, so I popped up the link to this post just for the sale of being cantankerous.

  37. Richard Nikoley on March 23, 2013 at 13:05


    “So, is Paleo not compatible with feminism?”

    I think it depends what one means by feminism. I suppose someone could argue that females who pursue a traditional role of being a kick-ass mother, homemaker, and general familial jack of all trades right up through the grandkids and great grand kids is absolutely the most self empowering thing a woman can do with her life.

    That’s not to say I begrudge any woman for taking any different path including mega CEO, if that’s what they want.

    I’m pretty sure this below isn’t compatible with anything except a bunch of sourpuss feminists, though. This is Melissa from a recent PD post:

    “Um, Evelyn who called them “whores”, which I told her is not the best way to address sex-workers from a sex-positive feminist perspective, does not ID as a feminist or feminism advocate “ I’m uncomfortable ranging into gender issue territory. I do not identify as a feminist, although I have in the past. ” I told Evelyn on her blog comments that I’d prefer her not to use the term whore.”

    My God, how dripping with righteous pretense.

    Once you begin using “inside the fringe paradigm” terminology in writings to people outside your fringe paradigm as though it’s normal speak and people ought to understand what the eff you’re trying to say, you’ve really gone off the deep end and marginalized yourself into whacked out idealistic youth territory.

    Go to the man or woman on the street and let them read that paragraph vs. one of my c-word rants, ask them which one they understand more. the bright side in all this is that in 10 years when Melissa is 36, she’s going to have a lot of stuff to laugh at herself about.

  38. Libby on March 23, 2013 at 13:39

    “I think it depends what one means by feminism. I suppose someone could argue that females who pursue a traditional role of being a kick-ass mother, homemaker, and general familial jack of all trades right up through the grandkids and great grand kids is absolutely the most self empowering thing a woman can do with her life.”

    -This is my personal definition of feminist womanhood. It also allows for women who seek to be fulfilled in non-traditional ways. That’s what ‘choice’ is supposed to mean. It seeks to build others up, not tear them down. Modern day feminism, it so often seems to me, is more about women emulating men and then tearing down masculinity than about enhancing the feminine. We need both. A one size fits all world, where there are none of the lovely differences that exist between the sexes…that is my definition of Hell.

  39. Leigh on March 23, 2013 at 13:41

    Dear god, the pretense, yes.
    “I told Evelyn on her blog comments that I’d prefer her not to use the term whore.”

    I read that paleodrama site yesterday, and that line really stuck out to me. Who the f*ck are you to tell anyone that? And who gives a sh*t what you prefer?

    Now, if my dear momma told me she “preferred” that I not use a word, I’d obey her. Because she’s my momma. But some internet person announcing that she told someone what word choice she preferred is pretentious.

    (you don’t need to respond! it’s just that this particular line stood out)

  40. Leigh on March 23, 2013 at 13:57

    Speaking of feminism: my momma (previously mentioned) lived it.
    She went from being a housewife to a drywall installer. She hung sheetrock.

    Even while she said “Leigh, don’t ever become financially dependent on a man, choose a man if you truly want him, not need him”, she also told me to respect women who do choose to be housewives.

    (this was in the early 1980s, when the skilled trades were recruiting women and minorities.)

    Rant over…

  41. Dan on March 23, 2013 at 14:35

    Richard Nikoley // Mar 22, 2013 at 18:00

    Dan, you forgot the part in our list where you read this blog.

    I don’t mind watching other people be controversial, it’s like good reality TV.

  42. Dan on March 23, 2013 at 14:59

    Hey Richard me again,

    Speaking of controversial topics did you check out this TED talk: debunking the paleo diet.

  43. Richard Nikoley on March 23, 2013 at 17:25


    I blogged about it last week toward the end of the post:

    Other than the quibble I mention, it’s a good video. Good critique.

  44. […] Giving a health presentation to the sex workers at the Bunny Ranch brothel in Nevada (PDCS) […]

  45. marie on March 23, 2013 at 19:21

    Leigh, I have the same view towards feminism and I think most women, and men (!) do nowadays – these two sound rather “70’s” to me, or even 60’s, when the problems were different and new approaches to work and civic life were were just being worked out (with the predictable swings too far).
    No matter the decade however, once any tangible barrier to entry is overcome (legal/rules barring women or stubborn old-boys networks), then women in overwhelmingly male fields are really well received – I work with tradespeople and engineers and scientists every day and from the trades through STEM fields, the guys usually Delight in seeing “a girl do that” – yes, in a way that’s still sexist, but in an accepting way, acknowledging the reality that there aren’t many of us ‘doing that’ …yet.
    Of course, in the trades and STEM, there are objective criteria for success (that wall stood/that circuit worked, or it didn’t, my invention worked and received a patent/my project launched a product, or they didn’t) which leaves much less room for discrimination (no accident that the CEOs of several technology companies are women).
    In the social fields (and bizarrely in biology….go figure) as well as the huge service jobs domain and clerical, there is a whole lot more room for Subjective evaluations and so a lot more discrimination – though it’s both kinds of discrimination, ie. reverse (biased towards quotas) as well.
    I seem to remember that that’s where all the emphasis on language and word choices comes in – it’s in these subjective areas, the thinking used to go, that it can make a difference, affecting attitudes and so affecting prejudices…not realizing that it’s one thing to beat the old boys Tangible protections through the legal system and entirely another to try to brow-beat anyone’s Thought processes. No one can Force the acceptance of ideas, which some old fashioned die-hards don’t seem to realize.
    So while the rest of us design devices, build machines, raise kids and cook up a storm in the kitchen, these throwbacks have ended up getting shriller and shriller, isolating themselves up in just as few social sciences ghettos…. and that’s about as relevant as they deserve to be 😉

  46. Witchywoman on March 24, 2013 at 00:23

    Okay…I’m usually just a lurker and am REALLY out of the loop on the this whole back and forth thing. But out of curiosity, I checked out this Paleodrama board and all I have to say is:


    What really gets me angry is the constant use of the “misogynist” word. Let me make this perfectly clear…as a member of Western society …there has been NO better time to be a woman. Do you know what misogyny is ?
    Misogyny is living under the Taliban…misogyny is being circumcised against your will….misogyny is being raped as a part of political policy…..misogyny is being raped and then being shunned for being raped…misogyny is being aborted simply for being female….misogyny is having acid thrown on you or being shot for the heinous crime of going to school…misogyny is being a slave in a third world brothel. (BTW…I am nurse that has volunteered helping women like this)

    I think you get the picture. Misogyny is NOT being called a “cunt” (a very common term used in the UK for both men and women, btw)..misogyny is NOT someone hurting your feelings and saying mean (but maybe true) things about you. There IS horrible unjust misogynistic things being done in the world….just don’t think that many of them are being done at paleo conferences…just sayin. I just have NO patience for privileged elite feminists that go on…and on..and on some more about “repressive/oppressive patriarchal bondage”. Number one….some “patriarchal bondage” is fun once in awhile…..and number two, my theory is that these feminists know this…and are angry because most men actually have no desire to “bind” them-LOL.

    Just kidding….maybe;-)

    Bottom line…why are so many women eager to wear the “victim” cloak?!? In fact….I regard the whole concept of that blog as a smack in the face to the true victims of gender repression and violence.

    LOVE your blog, btw:-)

  47. some random redditor laughing at it all on March 24, 2013 at 03:57

    Hi Richard, Reddit mods didn’t delete your comment; if you scroll down to the bottom of the thread, you will note that your response had so many downvotes from community members that it rendered itself invisible. You can still click on the link to your comment and expand the thread to see it. Your new comment is going in the same direction. Just FYI.

    • Richard Nikoley on March 24, 2013 at 05:19

      Thanks Reditor. The power of the down vote. 🙂

  48. Richard Nikoley on March 24, 2013 at 05:44

    “LOVE your blog, btw:-)”

    Thanks Witchy Woman, from me to one of my three female fans. 🙂

    (I saw that in a comment somewhere yesterday. Can’t get over the delusions some people harbor on so many levels)

  49. mm on March 24, 2013 at 11:06

    People who point out the stupidity in feminist language policing:
    As someone who would have done the same, I’m 95% (+/-10%) sure it’s because of 2 things:

    1) Some people want to feel like they’re doing something in the world, but their lives are so sheltered that having lame language discussions like whether “All men are created equal” is sexist or whether it should be LGBT instead of GLBT is their version of activism. (For the record, it should be GLBT; most influential to least influential subgroup, left-to-right)

    2) People who are paranoid and think everyone who doesn’t identify as anti-oppression activists are secretly bigots (in the same way some christian fundies think most people are unbelievers, and some atheists think they’re surrounded by christian fundies). This occasionally makes sense, but is mostly the result of a kind of siege mentality. Quite sad.

    In the case of “whore” vs “sex worker”, it’s sort of like the “nigger” problem of deciding who can say it, and how racist it is – in spite of the fact that it’s been re-appropriated so fast, especially by lower-class black people, that to stick with the old definition would mean that Kanye West himself is a self-hating racist (thanks NAACP for muddying the waters even more by publicly telling people not to use it). Lost in all this is the fact that no real racist cares about whether they should say the n-word or nigger. In fact a real racist would probably slap a black person in the face and laugh in response to being called a racist. Even worse, since nigger is a meaningless word, is replacing it for something worse like tha arab word for “slave” or just making jokes about how black people are angry, uncontrollable dung-slinging gorillas… But that’s the real world I’m talking about; most people who are overly concerned with language policing don’t think much of these things because like I said, THEY ARE SHELTERED. It’s easy to call someone prejudiced when that person doesn’t want to be seen as so.

    Historically the word “whore” was an insult but isn’t really any longer (but is still somewhat impolite); some sex workers call themselves whores. It sounds better than “prostitute” and “sex worker” is too general of a term. “sex worker” was invented to point out that whoring is real employment like waitressing, engineering, blogging, etc..
    Ironically, if a self-styled feminist calls herself sex-positive/pro-sex worker, they are often the good guys – pro-sex, anti-misandry. Their only mistake is acting as enablers for neofeminists/sex-negative, anti-male feminists.

    If you ever see someone refer to whores as “prostituted women”, these are the true enemies; the “anti-trafficking” radical feminists who really just hate their sexuality, hate whores, hate porn, and hate any porn-lovin’ man that sees strippers & whores. These people think no woman would ever willingly become a sex worker (which is why people use the term “sex worker” to remind others that it’s a high-paying, highly capitalistic job); they think if they eliminate porn and whoring, the patriarchy will disappear. They think 99.99999% of whores are enslaved and/or drug-addicted and don’t make any real money. They think porn encourages rape. They think all men who see whores are rapists and abusive clients. They have also consistently shown that they don’t care about the well-being of working girls; if all sex workers were to die tomorrow they’d rejoice, because eliminating those types of work is their goals. Worst of all, is the male radical feminists. I don’t want to sound sexist against men… but really? REALLY?!

  50. TempestTcup on March 25, 2013 at 12:04

    This video explains a lot about how everything wrong with reddit is everything wrong with democracy:

    In the comments: “reddit is 4chan for women” LULZ!

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