Looks Like Dr. William Davis Was Right in Wheat Belly

Well what do you know?

I’ve been following Dr. Davis for a long time and have really applauded a lot of the work he was doing over the years getting really good results for people, primarily by getting them off wheat and getting their vitamin D levels up. The results often showed up in significant reductions in heart scan calcification scores. Davis is a cardiologist. Since I was pretty hardcore paleo at the time, it made a lot of sense, but I attributed that success mostly to the removal of grains period.

Then comes his book—Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find Your Path Back To Healthand while I didn’t trash it, as did quite a few others, I just wasn’t interested in his theory that the chief problem with wheat was how it has been selectively bread over the centuries in order to produce varieties that render a greater yield per acre, are more resilient to pests, adverse weather, drought, etc. And besides, hadn’t we been reading how bad things were for the Egyptians, et al, with grains in their diets? So I just shrugged and thought well, nice theory, but the important part is to just get off the wheat and of course, that was the message he was sending overall.

Well, now it’s been put to the test. Hot off the presses in the British Journal of Nutrition. A double-blind, randomized crossover, which is basically gold-standard science. Basically, this means neither the research team nor the subjects know which wheat products they’re getting, they were randomized into which would be getting what when, and then after the fist intervention period, crossed over to the other wheat products while still not aware of which was which. What’s subtile but of super importance is that during the trial, some would be getting modern wheat and others, ancient, so as not to give any clues; such as, for instance, had they all been on one kind, then all on the other.

Effect of Triticum turgidum subsp. turanicum wheat on irritable bowel syndrome: a double-blinded randomised dietary intervention trial.


The aim of the present study was to examine the effect of a replacement diet with organic, semi-whole-grain products derived from Triticum turgidum subsp. turanicum (ancient) wheat on irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) symptoms and inflammatory/biochemical parameters. A double-blinded randomised cross-over trial was performed using twenty participants (thirteen females and seven males, aged 18-59 years) classified as having moderate IBS. Participants received products (bread, pasta, biscuits and crackers) made either from ancient or modern wheat for 6 weeks in a random order. Symptoms due to IBS were evaluated using two questionnaires, which were compiled both at baseline and on a weekly basis during the intervention period. Blood analyses were carried out at the beginning and end of each respective intervention period. During the intervention period with ancient wheat products, patients experienced a significant decrease in the severity of IBS symptoms, such as abdominal pain (P< 0·0001), bloating (P= 0·004), satisfaction with stool consistency (P< 0·001) and tiredness (P< 0·0001). No significant difference was observed after the intervention period with modern wheat products. Similarly, patients reported significant amelioration in the severity of gastrointestinal symptoms only after the ancient wheat intervention period, as measured by the intensity of pain (P= 0·001), the frequency of pain (P< 0·0001), bloating (P< 0·0001), abdominal distension (P< 0·001) and the quality of life (P< 0·0001). Interestingly, the inflammatory profile showed a significant reduction in the circulating levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, including IL-6, IL-17, interferon-γ, monocyte chemotactic protein-1 and vascular endothelial growth factor after the intervention period with ancient wheat products, but not after the control period. In conclusion, significant improvements in both IBS symptoms and the inflammatory profile were reported after the ingestion of ancient wheat products.


Translation: modern wheat (the control) rendered no significant change in reported IBS symptom discomfort; whereas, for the ancient wheat products the ‘P’ numbers are off the scale. The “worst” one is a 4 in 1,000 that it’s due to random chance. In general, anything under 1 in 20 is considered “significant” and not due to random chance. Finally, to bring it home—since they are relying on self reporting of symptoms here—they did blood work which showed significant reductions in the inflammatory profile on the ancient wheat products but not the modern ones.

I’d say that’s pretty convincing science and really explains one hell of a lot, if you ask me. Well done, Dr. Davis. Looks like you’re vindicated, though I expect the interests that be will find some way to either trash this study or bury it.

So now, I guess the only question remaining is that for those who simply can’t resist their baked goods, any companies out there using the ancient wheat? Also, where does barley and rye fit into this picture?

Update: In getting wind of this yesterday, among the emails was one Afifah’s Blog, which I put out on all my social media at the time. I just wanted to mention she may have been the first blogger to actually write a post and so go have a look. Really delightful blog design too, so browse it and if you like what you see and what she writes, give her some eyeball support, couldja? Here it is again.

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  1. GTR on February 18, 2014 at 08:02

    Durum wheat used for “true” pastas is more “ancient” than bread wheat, a close relative to emmer wheat. Bread wheat was specifically bread to have more, and “stronger” gluten.

    “However, it is unusual in that, despite very high protein content, it is low in desirable gluten needed to form a glutinous web necessary for bread to rise.”

    In Italian shops you can also buy 2-3 times more expansive pasta made from the emmer wheat, called “farro” in Italian. Emmer is the second-generation ancient wheat, that replaced the original einkorn. Einkorn – the original wheat – is hardly available anywhere now, perhaps only online?

    • The Natural on February 18, 2014 at 09:15

      I never know Durum atta flour is different from commercial wheat flour.

      Or you can find it at any Indian grocery. It is what is used in roti/paratha making and can be used for tortilla making.

      Bad luck if you try to make bread with it- because of its low content of gluten(surprise!) it will not raise like regular bread.


    • Ann on February 18, 2014 at 22:07

      Yes, it’s available online, and not that expensive, either. I was experimenting with it last year before my wheat antibodies tanked my ability to eat wheat at all. It’s heavy, harder to grind, but extremely deep and nutty in flavor. I made these honey einkorn pitas that were <>. It’s worth a check if you are into making your own bread. I just never had great luck using it for sourdough, which is where I will probably be for the rest of my days — if — I ever eat glutenous grains again…

      This is what I bought –

  2. J Wynia on February 18, 2014 at 08:05

    From what I see, the products using the older strain of wheat mostly use “einkorn” in their descriptions. Found several vendors selling einkorn flour. Would love to add homemade bread back without problems.

  3. J Wynia on February 18, 2014 at 08:08

    I do see a few places selling emmer flour too.

  4. rs711 on February 18, 2014 at 08:27

    Interesting, I’ll definitely read that study in its entirety – thanks for linking to it.

    I’d caution against making the mainstream mistake of ignoring the fact that this was a comparison between 2 grain products & not – for e.g., – a comparison between a wheat (new or ancient) vs (say) vegetables.

    It’d be interesting to see if this is on a sliding scale, i.e., – nut flour breads vs ancient grains

    • Justin on February 18, 2014 at 11:10

      I’m so proud of myself that I identified this from the abstract. Wish there had been a control with no wheat at all.

      Or am I missing something? Were the participants all wheat free before the study?

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 14:25

      Since it was comparing modern vs ancient wheat, a non-wheat control—as enticing as it may be—is non-sequitur.

      Others have already validly pointed out that this is not a complete vindication of wheat per se, merely very good science confirming what Davis said: that there is a big difference between ancient and modern. I’ve followed Davis for a long time. He’s not advocating any wheat. He merely attempted an explanation in his book of where things went off track, how we got ahead of ourselves.

      Some of you folks are like film critics, i.e., since what you are is baked in the cake, you will find something to criticize. When I see this thing I always remember the late great film REVIEWER Roger Ebert who said, paraphrasing: ‘I evaluate a film on what it intends to be, not on what I think it should have been.’

      Think about it, curmudgeons.

  5. DuckDodgers on February 18, 2014 at 08:27

    Jovial wheat products are Einkhorn. The WAPFers have been promoting ancient wheat for awhile.

    • melissa on August 27, 2019 at 19:48

      YES! I have been making Einkorn Sourough bread with great success and buying Jovial einkorn products as well. Greta company from what I can tell. Yes, Weston Price followers have been singing this for a long time!

  6. Radford McAwesome on February 18, 2014 at 08:42

    So this study was done using Kamut?

  7. Ellen on February 18, 2014 at 09:25

    I stopped eating wheat in August 2012, the day I read Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis. I don’t miss it at all. I am so metabolically deranged, with a host of health issues, that I have zero interest in exploring ancient wheat. I just don’t care. To me, it’s nice to see Dr. Davis getting some recognition. Thanks, Richard!

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 14:05

      I think some people think, erroneously, that my post is advocating wheat. Not at all. I’m really happy being able to have a sammy a couple of times per week—roast beef, BLT, etc. But i have no interest in using anything other than Udi’s gluten free (potato and tapioca starch based) that I have come to like quite a lot. Still, it takes my wife & I a week or more to go through 1 tiny loaf (about half of a Wonder Bread),

      No, the point of the post is that Davis caught a lot of shit for writing that there’s a huge difference in modern vs. ancient varieties and he was right, and with a pretty objective study.

      I thought he deserved a bit of vindication. Just the way I roll.

    • Janet on February 18, 2014 at 14:18

      I have been making a few things with the potato starch and tapioca and really like them–the pizza crust in Primal Cravings cookbook is wonderful and super easy. We only have it a couple of times a month, but nice to have the pizza taste again with a thin crust that you can pick up, other than melting a bunch of cheese on the bottom of a skillet and adding pepperoni. I live in the boonies so don’t get access to things like Udi’s.

  8. Gary on February 18, 2014 at 09:31

    Don’t fall into the familiar trap of suggesting that “Eating Ancient Wheat Improves IBS.” Quite the contrary, “Eating Ancient Wheat Doesn’t Harm You as Much.” Less bad does NOT equal good. Don’t start smoking filtered cigarettes because “Filtered Cigarettes improve Cancer Risks.”

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 11:47

      Obviously, Gary. I doubt it’s on the level of a cigarette filter. Dr. BG emailed and said that the modern wheat has 500x more toxic alpha and gamma gliadin protein that binds to the zonulin unit in the small intestines.

      Too bad they didn’t have a no wheat control, but then there would probably have been a problem with compliance.

    • Matt on February 18, 2014 at 12:35

      Would probably be difficult to double-blind a wheat-free trial…

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 12:38

      Lots of the gluten free stuff is tough to tell, now, especially the sugary stuff. But even bread has come along quite nicely.

    • TR on February 18, 2014 at 12:45

      Perhaps it’s harm until the gut is fixed, then perhaps harmless.

  9. stephen ottridge on February 18, 2014 at 09:33

    I stopped eating wheat in November 2012 and I really don’t miss it. My weight has dropped 45 lbs and i am no longer diabetic. I stopped the wheat about 4 weeks before getting the book. Dr Davis is to be congratulated for raising the issue of the evil of wheat however I don’t agree with his obsession about eating no grains whatsover. Oatmeal is in my diet twice a week, rice several times a week, and I have the odd slice of 100% rye bread or GF bread.

  10. TR on February 18, 2014 at 09:58

    Just like rice, beans and potatoes, wheat has been in our diets for thousands of years. It’s over. We can stop blaming modern health problems on the staples of yesteryear. Avoid the foods man has slapped on the scientists’ table and grotesquely altered and we will be just fine.

    • Jew Lee Us C Czar on February 18, 2014 at 16:52


  11. bornagain on February 18, 2014 at 10:50

    Praise the Lord! All the bible talk of bread had me conflicted but now I see that ancient grains are fine I know once again the bible speaks the truth. Oh, why did I doubt myself?

    • Janet on February 18, 2014 at 13:57

      I don’t trust any of it. And as for the Bible, I tell folks who say that the “Bible is full of bread references so it must be good now too” that can they really think of one thing that “man” hasn’t ruined or made of lesser quality in history? Got ’em there. I quit wheat in 2011 after reading Wheat Belly and it explained so much about my problems–not just my body but my brain. I barely think about it let alone eat it–in any form.

  12. PaleoJew on February 18, 2014 at 11:25

    Still wouldn’t over do it with the bread ancient or not.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 11:49

      Since Udi’s gluten free (mostly potato and tapioca starch) that tastes perfectly fine for me, it’s not going to be anything but the occasional quality baguette for me.

    • EF on February 18, 2014 at 12:38

      Udi’s comes frozen – does that mean whatever potato starch was used to bake it has been retrograded and can be toasted without destroying? I don’t this particular question has been raised specifically about GF bread. If so, flame me.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 14:38


      Count yourself flamed and yes, I have addressed this a few times (but only in comments, I think). LSS, I contacted them with questions about RS. Crickets. It was a couple of months ago, at least.

  13. BigRob on February 18, 2014 at 11:55

    What about Ezekiel bread? All hype?

    • Janet on February 18, 2014 at 13:59

      Ezekiel bread has gluten in it. Very clearly stated. The ones I am familiar with are sprouted and flourless–but full of gluten.

  14. MycroftJones on February 18, 2014 at 12:09

    You know, in several places the Bible comes down really hard on genetic engineering and hybridizing of both plant and animal species. You don’t think they already had experienced back then, the effects of experimenting with plant genetics?

    In addition to the grain changing, the yeast has changed. 100 years ago Pasteur isolated yeast. Today’s break made with bakers yeast is VERY different from bread made with sourdough. It is impossible to make 100% rye bread with yeast. Not enough gluten. Yet, using sourdough, you can make a good 100% rye bread. The sourdough culture process many more parts of the grain than the yeast alone does, and some of those parts are pressed into service by the sourdough in the same way as gluten, to allow a nice bread to rise.

    • J Wynia on February 18, 2014 at 12:16

      Actually, Saccharomyces exiguus (bread yeast) is still found all around us and in sourdough. But, a good sourdough culture also adds other yeasts (more strains from the Saccharomyces genus as well as the Brettanomyces, Kazachstania and Candida genuses), but also a mix of bacteria (notably lactobacillus for the sour tang via lactic acid).

      I’d amend your statement to it being difficult to make 100% rye bread with *only* isolated bread yeast.

    • MycroftJones on February 18, 2014 at 12:58

      You’d amend my statement to it being difficult to make 100% rye bread with *only* isolated bread yeast?

      I’d say impossible. Can’t be done. Someone managed to do it with as much as 95% Rye, but it was very tough and the results weren’t too good.

      Another issue with modern bread is rising time. Whether yeast or sourdough, it takes more than 8 hours for the calcium molecules to be broken down into a smaller form that our body can use. Most bread today only gets one or two hours of rising, and so it ends up robbing our bodies of calcium. The bacterial processing of the wheat just isn’t being allowed to happen, bakers are in a huge rush for various reasons including cost of commercial space to do their baking in.

      There is a guy who ferments his sourdough loaves for up to 30 days, and a lot of celiac’s have found they can eat his bread without any bad effects. Jack Bezian of Santa Monica, California. And I think he uses modern wheat even. Imagine doing that with ancient grains!

      There is a specialty cooperative near me who grows ancient grains of various types, I am using them in my business. Good stuff. Just don’t use up all their stock, its a few months until the next crop is in and I need it for my business. 🙂

    • rob on February 18, 2014 at 15:15

      “You know, in several places the Bible comes down really hard on genetic engineering and hybridizing of both plant and animal species.”


      Imo references to the bible need to be backed up with a link, it’s not like the text isn’t readily available online. People refer to the bible all the time on the internet, I could say “You know, in several places the Bible blesses having a slave blow cocaine up your anus” and it would be equally valid.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 15:47

      Personally, I love Bible references. Here’s my favorite source for quotations, all categorized, too.

    • MycroftJones on February 18, 2014 at 18:12

      I wouldn’t say it blesses it, but it doesn’t forbid it either.

      So, you want references? Regarding the reason for the Noah/Great Flood story:

      Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

      The surrounding verses show this corruption involved hybridization of alien species with all the different life forms (not just humans). And this is how it was understood at the very least, 2000 years ago.

      Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a
      diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a
      garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

      Plus there are several stories of Nephilim hybrids, who are always wiped out on sight.

      If you reject the Bible, ignore this post. If you believe in the Bible, then know that it is against GMO and hybridisation.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 18:35

      “If you believe in the Bible, then know that it is against GMO and hybridisation.”

      Fabulous. I’m so comforted. Now, if we could just work on…

      RAPE (Judges 21:10-24)

      So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

      The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

      Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

      HUMAN SACRIFICE (Judges 11:29-40)

      At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, “If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.

      So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. “My daughter!” he cried out. “My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back.” And she said, “Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin.” “You may go,” Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah’s daughter.


      However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

      If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6)

      When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)


      Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
      Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

      Kill Witches
      You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

      Kill Homosexuals
      “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

      Kill Fortunetellers
      A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

      Death for Hitting Dad
      Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

      Death for Cursing Parents
      1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
      2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

      Death for Adultery
      If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

      Death for Fornication
      A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

      Death to Followers of Other Religions
      Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

      Kill Nonbelievers
      They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

      Kill False Prophets
      If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

      Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
      Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

      Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
      But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

      Kill Followers of Other Religions.
      1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

      2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

      Death for Blasphemy
      One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

      Kill False Prophets
      1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

      2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

      Infidels and Gays Should Die
      So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

      Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
      For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

      Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
      The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

      …I could go on all day and night.

      I absolutely love it when people quote the Bible to me. I just quote it right back, with no comment.

    • gabriella kadar on February 18, 2014 at 18:58

      Wow. Thanks Richard. I’m going to put this all into my documents for the next time the Jehovah’s Witnesses phone me. 🙂 Serious..

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 20:25

      There’s a thousand more equally vile where that came from and I can quote it.

      Literally, the Bible is the most evil bit of literature ever assembled, which should make it no surprise that it’s the most popular book of Western “civilization.”

    • MycroftJones on February 18, 2014 at 23:35

      No need. Jehovah’s Witnesses are familiar with all those quotes from Scripture. They have no problem with them, nor do they find them evil. I was raised as one. Although I left the Jehovah’s Witnesses many years ago, I still don’t see those quotes as being evil either.

    • MycroftJones on February 19, 2014 at 01:50

      I don’t see it as any more evil than a hawk with a rabbit, or a wolf pack and a moose. Isn’t this blog called “free the animal”? Humans are the way they are. The stuff in the Bible is more tame than the exploits of Genghis Khan. And Genghis Khan was a pretty stand-up guy.

    • Karen on February 19, 2014 at 03:12

      Actually, all those quotes are from the Old Testament. People who preach hatred in God’s name can only source from the OT — and from the non-Gospel parts of the New Testament. I’ve yet to hear a Christian bigot quote Jesus when pushing some form of violence/bigotry/hatred in the name of God. If I understand correctly, Jesus came to more perfectly fulfil God’s will on earth ie love, not hatred, not violence. It’s one of the reasons he was handed over to Rome.

      Also? It’s bred, not bread. *g*

    • Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 06:47

      1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

      2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

      3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

      3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

      3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

      4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)

      5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

      6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

      7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

      8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).

      9) “…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, John 10:35

    • Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 07:22


      “I still don’t see those quotes as being evil either.”

      I wonder what you’re partial to. Would it be the child killing, or perhaps the child rape?

      “Isn’t this blog called “free the animal”?”

      Yes, and it means to unleash your true _potential_, which implies good. We’ve already had plenty of the worst.

      “The stuff in the Bible is more tame than the exploits of Genghis Khan. And Genghis Khan was a pretty stand-up guy.”

      Can’t argue with you there, and have to give you credit for recognizing that in that context, the Bible is nothing special. Perhaps no worse than the worst, certainly no better.

    • TR on February 19, 2014 at 08:26

      All excellent reasons to die to the Law.

    • TR on February 19, 2014 at 08:31

      Those words were not intended to encourage, but to bury you. No one walked away from hearing that felt refreshed, they left in despair. Of course there is always the idiot who thought he would give it another good ol’ college try.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 08:44

      “bury you”

      Who’s you?

    • MycroftJones on February 19, 2014 at 10:07

      There was no rape. Every soldier given a virgin captive had to wait 30 days before taking her. It only takes 3 days for Stokholm syndrome to kick in. That is miles ahead of what everyone else was doing, the old “rape ’em on the spot, then kill ’em or leave ’em” type of behavior practiced world-wide in war time.

    • Karen on February 19, 2014 at 10:37

      Gosh. Okay. The memory plays weird tricks. My internal construction doesn’t include any of that.

      Religion. It’s a strange beast.

    • TR on February 19, 2014 at 11:04

      At the time, the “you” were the Jews. In particular, the Pharisees. A nasty lot to be sure. Later on, Paul explains the requirements of the law written on the hearts of all. It’s why some thoughts condemn as well as defends one’s self. It also explains why any culture or any tribe anywhere throughout time share the basics. “Murder, rape, lying and stealing? Yeah, it happens, but it’s against the code”.

    • TR on February 19, 2014 at 11:06

      I like that. “My internal construction”. Will use that.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 20, 2014 at 07:36

      “There was no rape. Every soldier given a virgin captive had to wait 30 days before taking her.”

      My bad. Should have said kidnap, imprisonment, then rape.

      Cool troll, Mycroft.

    • MycroftJones on February 20, 2014 at 12:21

      It wasn’t a troll. The subtle dynamics aren’t on the surface, they are in how things play out.

      Everyone else at the time, and even today, was rushing in, killing raping and looting, and then after the traumatized woman would be left to her own devices, enslaved, or whatever. Things haven’t changed; in wartime that is still the norm.

      Compare the Biblical system: the woman isn’t touched. If a man wants to touch her, she is given 30 days to grieve. Her head is shaved; this lessens her beauty. This has two effects: lessens her attractiveness to the man. And it also lessens the likelihood that the native women will be jealous and pick on her.

      There is the already mentioned Stockholm syndrome, where women commonly fall in love with their captors. If the woman falls in love with her captor, how is it rape when they consummate at the end of 30 days?

      Rather, instead of being raped and set loose, as is the norm in war, the woman gets included in a family, without the trauma and stigma that come with rape. This raises her status.

      There is a another aspect to the 30 day waiting period: the man’s passions have time to cool down. If the woman is lazy, nasty, weepy, or really not wanting to bond with the man, he’ll get the point.

      And the native women have the 30 day period to assess the new woman and fit her into their pecking order. And do whatever it is they want to do to convince the native man not to marry the captive. Remember, the women back home? This gives them a say.

      Further, the law raised captive woman’s status in another way; if she married, she became a free woman. She was raised above her status as a slave. The male slaves didn’t have that avenue open to them.

      When there has been a war, and blood shed, the victor can say “woe to the vanquished”. The Biblical law acknowledges that the passions cannot be eliminated; so it regulates them for the best overall outcome. Very few passions are as powerful as bloodlust when your very life is at stake, when your buddies have been killed, house and crops burned, and you’ve just killed those guilty.

      When you have shed human blood, the temptation to rape is great. Having a set of rules and guidelines like that in the Bible prevents rape, but still allows a conquering nation to incorporate healthy and good looking genetics into its genome.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 20, 2014 at 12:54

      Ok, gross rationalizations, then.

    • lisatruitt on January 21, 2015 at 14:20

      Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. He was not mandating it til the end of time. The bible says that his sacrifice ended the curse of the law.

      And he was not critcising the Pharisees for not killing their children. He was commenting on how they were dis honoring their parents. Remember he was the one who told the Pharisees who wanted him to say the woman caught in adultery should be stoned that whichever of them was without sin should cast the first stone.

      I can’t for sure say why there were some commandments in the Old Testament that seem harsh Richard but I think that there were most likely good reasons for them. The bible says that God is love and is patient and merciful to the humble and merciful and repentant but he opposes the wicked.

      It seems that you had some bad organized religion experiences. I saw you on your 21 convention talk and you sounded turned off and bitter by whatever you experienced from that. Don’t reject God based on what may be false ideas promoted by religion or by misunderstanding of your own.

      Also, the account of the women bein kidnapped is just that an account of what these people did. God had nothing to do with it. There is a lot of historical accounting in the bible where people do all manner of dumb things.

  15. Vanner on February 18, 2014 at 14:42

    Now this is an interesting topic. As much as I enjoy living in a Capitalist economy, maybe it has no place in staple food production.

    The whole cheap, convenient, make a $$ by any means model doesn’t seem to work well with food that a countries citizens rely upon to be healthy.

    Companies driving towards creating a profit off of wheat products (among other food staples) has led to the demise of the countries health.

    Go ahead and make your soda pop and chocolate bars, but quit screwing around with my milk, eggs, bread, and water.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 07:24


      “Now this is an interesting topic. As much as I enjoy living in a Capitalist economy, maybe it has no place in staple food production.”

      Thank you for your enlightenment, sir. I’m an anarchist. I’m highly sympathetic to anarcho-capitalism and even to Rand’s hero worship sense of the capitalist.

      However, I’ve been saying for a long time, now: food is not car or computer factories, and various variations on the same theme.

      Congratulations. You came up with that on your own, the ideal way, which means you understand the distinction.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 07:25

      …And just to further such thinking, I still want zero laws or regulations. Rather, I want food companies to become so selfish and egotistical that they care more of what they think of themselves than the market and stockholders do, such that they care a great deal to understand and to put out only healthful products per their best understanding—not just “food.” They have enormous capital and economies of scale already. Can be done and if it takes time—which as a bus guy I understand—then at least create a completely healthy line and evolve over time.

      Then, they can bust their asses marketing on that basis, as many small firms already do.

  16. Mike on February 18, 2014 at 15:07

    Are there any beers out there brewed with these ancient varieties of wheat? Paleo-ish beer, anyone?

    • Kieran on February 18, 2014 at 23:19

      I found the particular Emmer beer I was thinking of. It looks like it’s a German brewer, Riedenburger (from Riedenburg, in Bavaria, unsurprisingly). They have a variety of other “ancient grain” beers, and an English translation. Hope it helps!

    • MycroftJones on February 18, 2014 at 18:14

      I’m working on Ancient Grain whiskey right now. More details in a few months.

    • The Natural on February 19, 2014 at 10:57

      Luksusowa…very reasonably priced almost bordering cheap liquor. Says triple distilled. I need to check it out on my next trip to the liquor store. Too bad I literally bought some vodka last nigh 🙁

      This is what I found online-

      Don’t know how many of them are solely potato based and their local availability.
      Check out the one named – Spudka. What a cool name!

    • Kieran on February 18, 2014 at 23:10

      I have tried some very nice beers in Austria made with, if I remember correctly, Emmer and Einkorn, from organic/health food shops. (Though they may have been imports from Germany.)

      All in all, very tasty! Had a nice sour taste too, so they were probably unpasteurised and bottle fermented. Like a proper sourdough as compared to white toast, comparing such a beer with say, Heineken.

    • John on February 19, 2014 at 07:48

      Most beers aren’t brewed with wheat anyway. They use rye. I don’t think rye has been hybridized nearly as much as wheat, seeing as it’s not really a staple crop.

    • John on February 19, 2014 at 07:50

      Sorry, not rye, but barley. Don’t know what I was thinking.

    • The Natural on February 19, 2014 at 09:05

      I know it is debatable whether or not whiskey is gluten free because it is a distilled spirit and the distillation process supposedly removes most of the gluten protein. As a matter of fact, per FDA in the US, distilled spirits are allowed to be labeled GF.

      My point is if these miniscule amounts of gluten even after the distillation process causes you reactions, then I’d argue that you could get gluten reaction whether the whiskey(or beer) is made from ancient or modern wheat- because I doubt that ancient wheat is *completely* gluten free.

      So why not stick with grain free alcohol such as – potato vodka, rum, tequila and brandy?

      Just my 2c.


    • The Natural on February 19, 2014 at 09:07

      barley and rye have gluten too.


    • The Natural on February 19, 2014 at 09:09

      potato vodka-
      Can it get any better? 🙂 Good ol’ potato.

    • gabriella kadar on February 19, 2014 at 10:26

      Luksusowa. Polish potato vodka.

      There’s not THAT many potato vodkas available.

    • The Natural on February 19, 2014 at 11:04

      And check out Grand Teton vodka made in Idaho and distilled 20TIMES. Wow, I really need to call the local liquor store now.


    • John on February 19, 2014 at 15:40

      Absolutely true. So does Einkorn. My point is that modern wheat hybridization doesn’t affect most beers, since most of them don’t use wheat anyway, although wheat beers do exist.

      The actual gluten content of beer is debated. First off, barley is much lower in gluten than wheat. The barley is then malted (similar to spouting), fermented and heated, all of which reduces the gluten content further. I’ve heard of people testing beers with the glutenox home test, and finding that most beers test at less than 5ppm.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 20, 2014 at 07:39


      Concerning barley and rye, my question was whether they have undergone the same sort of selective breeding as wheat has, or are they in or closer to their ancient state.

  17. Afifah on February 18, 2014 at 15:52

    Hi Richard, nice article, but it would have been nice if you had acknowledged my blog article as the origin of your reblogging. My scoop.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 18, 2014 at 16:22


      How long have you been blogging and how many posts and comments? I’m at 3,800 posts over 10 years and 80,000 comments. I get 300 emails per day, on average.

      Wanna guess how many people sent me that study? About a dozen and you weren’t the first. Nonetheless, because you had done a blog about it, I put that up on FB to a lot of followers, Twitter, and G+ yesterday.

      The study is public information. Sorry you feel like you own it and need credit ought anyone else mention it and BTW, welcome to the club. I get it really hard. I have people constructing resistant starch diets out there, now, without a scintilla of mention of the 60-something blog posts.

      But you know what? I’m going to do an update to the post and pop a link in there, just for you.

    • Beans McGrady on February 18, 2014 at 19:27

      Awesome blog Afifah. Great journalism too.
      Shame on you Richard for stealing intellectual property like that.

    • Afifah on February 19, 2014 at 13:35

      Good man Richard. All your comments are fine by me, especially the complimentary ones ;), and thanks for putting it on FB, I have certainly had a great many more hits on my blog since you did that. Does it mean anything…? I dunno!
      I am quite new to this malarky (blogging) but can’t make it my full time job, having a clinic to run where I apply all my nutrition knowledge hand in hand with the grand mother of all medicine, herbs. I often look at your site and am pleased to see that, like me, you put Hyperlipid’s Petro on the pedestal he deserves. There is a growing band of genuinely intelligent folk out there, blogging away, or doing presentations, or publishing academic papers, or setting up trials, and it is truely a pleasure to be part of that international group that is more interested in the truth of things than in money.
      Though I have been in clinical practice for over 20 years it is only really for the past five or six that the biochemistry of nutrition has taken such a prominent place in my thinking. I am just delving into iodine in a bit more detail, by the way. It has come back into prominence since the Fukushima story happened, though research into it’s importance is not simply about protection from radioactive iodide. If you have any insights into this evolutionarily conserved biologically ubiquitous element, please point me in the right direction. I’ll ask Petro too.
      Keep ranting (it suits you).
      Cheers ~ Afifah (England)

    • Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 14:27


      Glad we’re cool.

      On iodine. I’m not sure this covers all of it, but I did this post back in 2010 about problems, lots of comments. Iodine was a big part of it but I concluded it’s too complex to supplement, and so I still have a good part of my original bottle of Iodoral around here somewhere.

      I think just get various seaweed and sprinkle some on salads. Eat California rolls. 🙂

    • DuckDodgers on February 19, 2014 at 15:59

      For what it’s worth, I’ve had good success with transdermal nascent iodine. If you are deficient, your skin will suck it up quickly. It it pools on your skin, most of the iodine will just evaporate over the next 24 hours. Hard to mess that up since your skin will self-regulate the uptake.

    • gabriella kadar on February 19, 2014 at 17:21

      Richard, a while ago when I was doing some reading up on iodine in seaweed, I learned that different seaweeds are hugely different in iodine content. Kelp has the most. The nori or whatever it is used for sushi does not contain iodine. Also, dried seaweed loses it’s iodine after a few months. Apparently it evaporates.

  18. kxmoore on February 18, 2014 at 20:03

    connect this:

    British researchers measured levels of the so-called “stress hormone” cortisol in teenage boys, and found that ones with high levels coupled with mild depression symptoms were up to 14 times more likely to suffer clinical depression later in life than those with low or normal cortisol levels.

    to this:

    Researchers compared the behaviors of normal 8-week-old mice and those whose guts were stripped of microbes. Those without bacteria showed higher levels of risk-taking and the stress hormone cortisol. They also had altered levels of the brain chemical BDNF, which has been linked to anxiety and depression in humans.

  19. Kevin on February 18, 2014 at 21:38


    Oh, please. Richard might chew people out, but he doesn’t hold a grudge. Did you read the update, how complimentary he was towards a needy, cry-baby like Afifah?

    • Kim C on February 19, 2014 at 03:30

      Kev – I assumed Beans was being sacrastic. Just my 1 cents.

      As for the original post, I found Davis’s book fascinatinf, and it helped motivate me to stay away from wheat (with the annual exception of my ma’s holiday butter cookies).

  20. John on February 18, 2014 at 22:48

    Free the animal: where cowards go to be mean.

  21. EatLessMoveMoore on February 19, 2014 at 19:06

    Hasn’t this guy already been soundly debunked?

    • Rob1 on February 20, 2014 at 05:54

      Maybe HGL, carb insane, etal should read the study. I would also be interested in hearing about the number of patients/people that have assisted to a better life. Dr Davis does have more than a few testimonials.

      Richard thanks for sharing

    • EatLessMoveMoore on February 21, 2014 at 17:34

      Hmm. Well, CarbSane ALSO soundly debunked him.

  22. Jane Karlsson on February 19, 2014 at 05:51

    Interesting quote from the paper.

    ‘…we have recently carried out some studies on ancient grain varieties, showing that these varieties contain different nutritional characteristics with respect to modern varieties…..Although such ancient wheat does contain gluten, the healthier nutritional profile of this ancient grain variety, in comparison with that of the modern variety, resulted in improvements in mineral, antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties…’

    The ancient wheat flour had more than twice as much magnesium as the modern flour. That alone could account for the results. I wonder how much William Davis understands about this. I haven’t read his book but Chris Masterjohn’s review is not very complimentary.

  23. Eric R on February 19, 2014 at 07:19

    I had quinoa whiskey recently. Surprisingly good and I’m mostly a scotch guy.

  24. Ulfric Douglas on February 19, 2014 at 12:50

    I never read the book, just found over the last three years absolutely cutting out wheat has removed a lot of maybe-not-healthy feelings, and eating wheat doesn’t make me feel good the next day.
    So there we have it.
    (And the Bible is total Crap, and all Abrahamic religions are evil.)

  25. Richard Nikoley on February 19, 2014 at 12:54

    “And the Bible is total Crap”

    Didn’t you get the news? There’s not one, but TWO “testaments.” It’s supposed to be a VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION!

    • TR on February 19, 2014 at 14:34

      And quite the distinction. The Old never was meant for the gentiles, but for a sliver of humanity called the Jews. Don’t ever show up at a reading of a Will/Testament that you never were a part of, it’s embarrassing. (Usually, the Law firm’s staff will politely show you the door).

    • Richard Nikoley on February 20, 2014 at 07:53

      “The Old never was meant for the gentiles, but for a sliver of humanity called the Jews.”

      Meaningless distinction, unless the Jews weren’t actual human beings.

    • TR on February 20, 2014 at 08:34

      Meaningful distinction in that it was a Covenant between God and the Jews. The gentiles were relegated to observer status. Meaningful in that many try to insert them into that covenant and don’t belong; trying to participate in an agreement where they have no place at the table.

    • Richard Nikoley on February 20, 2014 at 09:57


      Covenant shmovanent.

      Argument by definition.

  26. Dr. Curmudgeon Gee on February 19, 2014 at 21:00


    my Bulgarian colleague says they still grow einkorn wheat everywhere near his hometown.

    but the customs won’t allow him to bring it in (he tried; confiscated).


    i like Chris Masterjohn’s review, more balanced.

    i think Dr. Davis sometimes beats it to death. but his message is an important one.


  27. Dave on February 20, 2014 at 17:24

    Just a tangential link on the unreliability of p-values:

    What we need here is posterior odds ratios.

  28. Dr. Curmudgeon Gee on February 20, 2014 at 22:51

    Pharisees were very misunderstood people & smeared by NT authors.

    there should be a Pharisee Defamation Union or something like that!

  29. DuckDodgers on February 26, 2014 at 08:46


    This seems to be making the rounds, if you haven’t seen it yet. This might explain another difference between the wheats (since ancient wheat likely isn’t grown with Roundup):

    Is it the gluten or is it the glyphosate?

    New evidence points to glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, as the culprit in the rise of gluten intolerance, celiac disease and irritable bowel syndrome. A study just published in the Journal of Interdisciplinary Toxicology (Vol. 6(4): 159–184 ) by Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff explains how the nearly ubiquitous use of glyphosate as a crop desiccant is entering our food chain and making us ill.

    Pre-harvest application of glyphosate to wheat and barley as a desiccant was suggested as early as 1980 and its use as a drying agent 7-10 days before harvest has since become routine. It is now used on all grain crops, rice, seeds, dried beans and peas, sugar cane, sweet potatoes, and sugar beets. According to the Pulse Growers Association in Canada (legume growers), “Desiccants are used worldwide by growers who are producing crops that require ‘drying down’ to create uniformity of plant material at harvest. These products may also assist in pre-harvest weed control. In Canada, products such as diquat (Reglone) and glyphosate (Roundup) have been used as desiccants in pulse crops in the past, and there are new products on the way. ”

    The increase in the amount of glyphosate applied to wheat correlates with the rise of celiac disease, peritonitis, and deaths due to intestinal infection (see slide show). Samsel and Seneff argue that the increases in these diseases not only have an environmental factor, but not all patient’s symptoms are alleviated by eliminating gluten from the diet, which points to another cause.

  30. Ellen on March 6, 2014 at 17:07

    Richard, Dr. William Davis mentioned you today in a comment on his Wheat Belly facebook page. (Spelled your name wrong, but hey.)

    Dr. Davis: “A brilliant discussion! Richard Nickolay and friends have been engaging in a fascinating discussion.”


  31. Brian Williams on October 8, 2020 at 04:05

    Six years later, so I suppose nobody will read this, but the bit about the bible. Note that all the vile examples are from the OLD Testament. As an atheist who appreciates Christian principles, I find it irksome that the OT is always used to criticise Christianity (not necessarily in this case).

    Judaism and Islam are cruel Abrahamic religions, whose texts were and still are used to justify abominable acts between humans (and animals – ritual slaughter).

    However Christianity was founded by the acts in the Gospels. Many of the writings in the New Testament include political commentary by the first popes, which hijacked true Christianity. Although an atheist, the ethos of Jesus was the foundation of Western decency, leading ultimately to the abolition of slavery (approved of by the Abrahamic religions).

    I challenge anyone to find quotes in the Gospels (not the NT) which are anywhere near as enraging. The one religion based on peace, love and forgiveness is the one most at threat by the political forces in the Western world.

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