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Is The Gut Microbiome a Better Puzzle Piece Contributing to Mass Killings Than Feminism?

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Let’s not mince words, which is always great way to start. Famed smart and witty queer, Milo Yiannopoulos, weighs in on the recent incident where an adult male—this time—goes postal at a school, again.

I might be a raging homo, but I still innately understand the male need to conquer, crush and win. Men need to express that dark, powerful part of themselves, or it can abruptly overflow. If it is suppressed, derided and ridiculed, it can show up without warning and with horrible consequences.

That’s why I’m so distressed that heterosexual men are being told, constantly, by the media and even in schools, that what they are is bad. This, I submit, is at least in part what’s driving the recent spate of shootings.

The media trash-talks everything men love: guns, booze, boisterousness, drugs, sex and video games. Economic pressures are relentlessly stripping away male spaces like the traditional pub, where blokes can drink and bond. Social pressures are opening up male-only golf and social clubs to women, destroying what made them precious and essential.

The breakdown of the nuclear family is a euphemistic phrase used to describe a more troubling picture: there are more absent fathers now and vanishingly few positive male role models for young men to admire and emulate. This is often fuelled, or at least endorsed, by wrongheaded progressives who want to tear down supposedly patriarchal institutions.

But it is those patriarchal institutions, if you like, that for centuries provided the sort of structure, order and role models that young men need.

Continuing to not mince words, he goes on to largely lay these incidents at the doorstep of self-entitled, victimized-in-their-minds, feminist cunts—and because there’s no sin greater than calling them cunts, they basically get to call a lot of shots (these are my words and characterizations, not his). Because significant parts of society know they’re just a bunch of stupid, entitled cunts—you can’t even imply it—you can’t even get away with calling a guy a “cunt,” in America—everyone runs for cover from their ROAR!

To the Nomenclatura, they’re Useful Cunts.

It’s a mess, which is why Milo’s piece is a fabulous read on those grounds alone. It’s far more important than the “acting out” of a few crazies, but is light years from an even workable, testable hypothesis in terms of causality for individual actions of mass murder.

His “hypothesis,” being generous (it’s really just an association that lines up reasonably, conveniently), is not that prescient, nor apropos. I understand fully its narrative potential and I completely don’t mind it becoming a competing narrative against the ridiculous narrative young womyn get duped into $250K of student debt over, but it’s simply riddled with billons (yes, billions) of exceptions from the time of written history.

Do I really need to list all the ways young men have been brutalized and demeaned in history (it’s Darwinian, dontcha know)…from slavery to conscription, to institutional butt rape, to sour, lesbian, failed-life nuns running schools (at least gay males are typicaly fucking flamboyant!!!)? The list is a mile long, Don’t you watch Game of Thrones? I won’t belabor the fact of billions of counter-example-exceptions to-“rule,” where tortured males didn’t go on a killing spree.

So the article sturck me as whiny. At a point, I think he realized that his argument was undercutting the thesis, and added this, like orange on purple.

Some macho types will say: let’s not defend pussies. These shooters are pathetic loners. They should be condemned as crazies. Those men are wrong. Basic decency, human compassion and evolution tell us that the strong should protect the weak. That includes more emotionally fragile men, too. If you want to stop the killings, learn to celebrate men like only gay men still do.

I write one fuck of a lot (there are over 4,000 posts on this blog, averaging out to about a writing per day over 12 years straight) and I can’t count the times…well, I can, in dozens of unpublished drafts…where I ended up demolishing my own thesis as I wrote down my steam of conscience. Sure, I admit to saving a few awesome posts with similar asides. But Milo’s aside here didn’t particularly assuage the sense I’d already got.

But again, it’s a very fabulous read. It’s just not particularly relevant to mass killings, in my view.

So what might be a better hypothesis? Can I propose an hypothesis that might actually be testable, that doesn’t already have billions of known exceptions?

When I though of writing this yesterday afternoon, into this morning, I of course knew that the “gut bug” book I have in draft has lots to say on the brain-gut connection. I was going to synthesize it all nice & tidy, until a search of the manuscript revealed mentions on 79 pages of 400+ pages. A bit too daunting for a blog post.

So, let me just quote from Chapter 1, which is already online for purposes of titillation.

Our gut microbiome is a living, breathing—and especially: eating, metabolizing, secreting—colony of these some hundreds of different species and families of invisible bacteria that, in myriad ways, influence all facets of your being. Your gut bugs are in your dreams, thoughts, and actions. They even influence your mind to the extent that an NPR piece in November, 2013, suggested that “Gut Bacteria Might Guide The Workings Of Our Minds.”

“I’m always by profession a skeptic,” says Dr. Emeran Mayer, a professor of medicine and psychiatry at the University of California, Los Angeles. “But I do believe that our gut microbes affect what goes on in our brains.”

Mayer thinks the bacteria in our digestive systems may help mold brain structure as we’re growing up, and possibly influence our moods, behavior and feelings when we’re adults. “It opens up a completely new way of looking at brain function and health and disease,” he says.

So Mayer is working on just that, doing MRI scans to look at the brains of thousands of volunteers and then comparing brain structure to the types of bacteria in their guts. He thinks he already has the first clues of a connection, from an analysis of about 60 volunteers.

It may interest those unfamiliar with what’s gone on with this blog for a couple of years, that thousands of reader/commenters, in over 130 posts, reported as the most profound effect of heavily targeting the feeding of gut bacteria with isolated resistant starch, that it triggered crazy complex narrative dreams. I’m talking about a relatively cohesive novel in your head in the space of a few hours that for many of us, you can actually remember.

When properly cared for (e.g., fed, and fed properly), our gut bugs can be our best friends. But, when abused or neglected, they can turn on us or, the balance where the many good species keep the bad ones in check is tipped, in favor of the bad ones. With that in mind, consider this second excerpt from that NPR article.

Scientists also have been working on a really obvious question — how the gut microbes could talk to the brain.

A big nerve known as the vagus nerve, which runs all the way from the brain to the abdomen, was a prime suspect. And when researchers in Ireland cut the vagus nerve in mice, they no longer saw the brain respond to changes in the gut.

“The vagus nerve is the highway of communication between what’s going on in the gut and what’s going on in the brain,” says John Cryan of the University College Cork in Ireland, who has collaborated with Collins.

Gut microbes may also communicate with the brain in other ways, scientists say, by modulating the immune system or by producing their own versions of neurotransmitters.

“I’m actually seeing new neurochemicals that have not been described before being produced by certain bacteria,” says Mark Lyte of the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center in Abilene, who studies how microbes affect the endocrine system. “These bacteria are, in effect, mind-altering microorganisms.”

It’s worth entertaining the possibility that many individual and societal health problems have their root cause in how our guts are being fed improper foods, neglected, or even abused.

Google docs informs me that I edited the draft to include that last paragraph in early 2014.

So these are just pieces to a testable hypothesis puzzle. But we’re dealing with 100 trillion gut bugs compared to 10 trillion human cells, and what’s probably more profound is that since there can be 300-1,000 species of bacteria in a human gut, you’re talking about a genome that’s potentially 300 times our own human genome—and these critters can lend genes to one-another, but that’s another part of the book.

They comprise 70% of your immune system (this is why virtually all autoimmune conditions are associated with gut dysbiosis), and they are a vast chemical synthesizing and manufacturing plant that talks to your brain. They manufacture various neurochemicals. Another piece.

Want another piece?

Antibiotics are carpet bombers. Another piece?

It’s not like these bugs are at peace. They are at perpetual war, chemical war. This is from the Chapter 3 draft, Chemical Warfare.

Envision a battlefield, and what does your mind’s eye conjure up? A big field? Soldiers in two types of uniforms? Various weapons? Probably that’s what most people see. But did you know that there’s a battlefield right inside your human gut and other places too (mouth, nose, ears, vagina, and birth canal)? For simplicity, let’s focus on the human gut where between the small and large intestine, you have a battlefield with a surface area the size of a tennis court, and a war is raging between 100 trillion microscopic soldiers of 500-1,000 species, and each species has different weapons to use against other species.

Envisioning that battlefield would more closely resemble something out of Star Wars with all different sorts of aliens locked in conflict to the death. We’ve already discussed many of the jobs your gut microbiome takes on. These microbes make vitamins, absorb minerals, and create brain-signalling chemicals, among other things. But one of their most important functions is to guard their home or, battlefield, since their home is never at peace. The number one priority of your microbiome at large is to keep its environment safe for Democracy, by which we mean a sort of perverse majority rule where the majority—those generally beneficial to the host—attempt to exterminate or at least keep numbers (the minority) under control that do damage to the host and by extension, the home of all the good guys that need a continuous supply of food, living their lives of a few hours to a few days in non-stop action.

The war that rages is one of creating an environment suitable for the growth of your beneficial microbes, while making it tough for your pathogenic ones to even “breath.” That’s the strategic part, if you’ve read your military history. Tactically, they can also unleash skirmishes to quell an uprising.

Sorry, that’s about my favorite chapter of the book and that’s all I want to give up, now. Retired Air Force E-9, Tim “Chief Master Sargent” Steele, and I, had a blast using descriptions of military tactics to describe what trillions of gut bugs do, by analogy.

I’ve already mentioned that generally, antibiotics are carpet bombers. You don’t know how many of the good you kill in your insistence of killing the opportunistic pathogens causing some chronic or acute condition.

So, getting back to to the original hypothesis, what about psych drugs? Oh, yes, who hasn’t seen the stuff associating mass killers with such drugs? In this case, it’s a rather compelling association, since on cursory examination, so very many—or even all?—are or have been medicated that way. Unfortunately, it still fails any sort of causality hypothesis, because there are millions of people on these drugs—and untold number of stupid feminist cunts—but relatively few mass murders.

I asked Professor Art Ayers, a valuable email correspondent to the extreme (his impressive CV here). He told me something that changed my whole view and approach, not too long ago: “Richard, virtually all drugs, even OTC, are antibiotics.”

I don’t think that it is possible to go beyond recognition that most psychoactive drugs have antibiotic activity to distinguish how much of the psych effects are due to direct actions on the brain, immune system and gut microbiota/gut metabolism of neurotransmitters.

Phytochemicals are adapted for drug use, because of their general bioreactivity, i. e., they kill proteins, but that also means they always have broad side effects.  Detox systems also aggressively inactivate and excrete psychoactive drugs, so they take weeks to accumulate tissue amounts that trickle past defenses.

It also seems to me that the mass killers were all young, male antisocials under care with psychotropic drugs known to produce violent outbursts, e. g., mass killings with automatic weapons.  Other psychologists have said that those guys should never have been on those meds or permitted near weapons.  It seems to be a repeated, clear breakdown in the psych community.  The psych “experts” do not know what they are doing and are not alerting police when they screw up and turn patients into killers.

Occam’s razor? Psych professional $250/hr-couch default? When they’re actually supposed to be physicians first—not drug pushers—and use their clinical practical experience to get better and better at putting solutions they’ve successfully tested first hand, to other cases they identify, first hand? Is that not the core essence of a physician?

He links this:

Neuropsychiatry (London). 2012 August ; 2(4): 331–343. doi:10.2217/npy.12.41.

Psychotropic effects of antimicrobials and immune modulation by psychotropics: implications for neuroimmune disorders

Demian Obregon1,2, Ellisa Carla Parker-Athill1,3, Jun Tan1,2, and Tanya Murphy*,1,3 1Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Neurosciences, University of South Florida, Morsani

SUMMARY

Antimicrobial compounds and psychotropic medications often share overlapping mechanisms of actions and pharmacological effects. The immune system appears to be an important site of interaction as several antimicrobials display neurological and, at times, direct psychotropic effects, while psychotropics have shown significant immunomodulatory properties. The isoniazid class of antibiotics for example has been shown to possess monoamine oxidase activity, while selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors have shown significant effects on leukocyte populations. As the importance of the immune system’s role in CNS homeostasis and disease continues to move to the forefront of neuropsychiatric research, these shared pharmacological effects may provide an important insight, elucidating the complexities in neuroimmune pathophysiology and guiding the development of potential treatments

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Or, feel free to keep taking shots in the dark. That’s not a complete dig. I know people who contemplate these matters are not dumb. But sometimes they’re ignorant of things they don’t even know were in play. But if they’re smart, they take this as information and keep an eye out.

Richard Nikoley

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19 Comments

  1. Michelle on October 4, 2015 at 07:38

    Anglobitch has some interesting commentary that expands out what I think Milo was trying to say.

    http://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/2015/10/a-warrior-has-fallen-chris-harper.html

    I agree with Anglobitch that to an extent that there are some peculiarities to our time that make these types of spree killings much more likely, since feminism is a modern movement that has never existed in this form prior to the last 50-ish years.
    I agree with your assertion about SSRIs.

    Your article is, once again, good stuff. Much to ponder and assimilate.

  2. JGibson on October 4, 2015 at 14:27

    Now I’m going to see if anyone has had the idea to write a near-future sci-fi novel about a new illegal drug that’s actually a genetically engineered bacteria that’s taken as a suppository — and write the hell outta that bitch if no one has.

  3. Jeff Johnson on October 5, 2015 at 01:22

    Suicide
    Something happens from time to time that deeply affects me – so called mass killings isn’t one of them – I could care less than less –

    Wealth – one bed – one toilet – one meal – one car – one loving relationship – no one on earth can have more than this –

    Some – have less – either taken by death or otherwise – when suicide is the cause – the pain nearly kills me – if it did – I wouldn’t care –

    but this tells me I’m not as strong as sometimes – I suggest to myself that I am –

    The human soul has the power with-in to kill – you do not need a gun –

    A mean word – a hated remark – a slap or choke – a sexual indiscretion –

    All these happens every day – in every place on earth – it’s hard to trace someone’s demise to these events – but it’s not really that big a mystery –

    I wonder how many people I’ve destroyed – it may not happen until years after the slap – but sooner – more often later – it happens –

    So when I go looking monsters – mass murders –

    I can just go look in the bathroom mirror –

    • Richard Nikoley on October 5, 2015 at 08:56

      Jeff, that’s a package deal I don’t accept. If most people were not basically good, we wouldn’t exist.

      You’re conflating the nature of human existence per se, with outlier rare evil.



    • George on October 13, 2015 at 01:07

      Richard I thought you would find this interesting,



  4. Colombo on October 5, 2015 at 08:47

    Richard, you’ve put much effort in this post. Thanks.

  5. Jonathan on October 5, 2015 at 08:51

    When I feel down like looking into the abyss where my thoughts wander to not pleasant things, I take the next few days to take PS and probiotics and can feel my mood change, Richard you are on to something cause this Fucktard is getting it.

  6. MissMcGillicuddy on October 5, 2015 at 09:30

    Carbs -> boost serotonin -> vivid dreams +/- reports of heightened sense of well being.

    I don’t think anyone has disputed this?

    • Richard Nikoley on October 5, 2015 at 09:51

      Well, millions. Those with an irrational fear of carbs, those who conflate Pop Tarts and Hot Pockets with boiled, baked, or roasted potatoes.



  7. Bb on October 5, 2015 at 13:43

    Elixa is on its way. I will be colonising my Elixa on hemp meal. I am expecting nothing short of miracles. Effortless weight loss, younger looking skin, bigger lifts at gym, perfect sleep and massive shits. I hope I am not disappointed.

  8. Bb on October 5, 2015 at 13:45

    I feel the better question may be: will curing the gut biome cure the feminist disease?

  9. Rudy on October 5, 2015 at 18:33

    I share home fermented vegetables with my son, his wife, and our five month old grandson. My DIL has begun to give her exclusively breast fed son a small amount of brine from the fermented cabbage now and then. Nice.

    “The revolution will not be microwaved.” Sandor Katz.

    Snarky blogosphere political ramifications? I don’t give a runny shit. Attribution acknowledged, Richard.

  10. CoolBeans on October 5, 2015 at 22:02

    Wish somebody would look into the prescription drugs these shooters are on. Post-SSRI Symdrome, and the like. Ray Peat talks about the madness of modulating something like serotonin for mood when it’s related to many more biological processes. And Richard himself recently referenced the vagus nerve which connects the brain and gut, and scientists stating that there are some as-yet unclassified compounds being produced by the gut flora which undoubtably play a role in mood and brain function.

  11. CoolBeans on October 5, 2015 at 22:11

    Doh! My obvious/summary of a comment was not my intended post, but rather a text introduction of this article to a friend which i errantly pasted. Meant to just thank you, Richard, for broaching this subject through the lens of the gut biome.

  12. Ann on October 6, 2015 at 08:12

    I’ve often wondered if these mass-murders, where psychotropics were involved, were actually a result of the sense of detachment and dissociation that those drugs can induce in people.

    In other words, were those murderous tendencies there all along, but kept at bay by the individual’s recognition of the consequences and their own empathy for those who might be affected by their actions? Perhaps after the perpetrator began taking SSRIs or whatever that empathy and emotional response, guilt at the thought of the consequences of their actions if you will, was dampened? I’m trying to think of a better way to say this, but it’s not coming to me.

    Having suffered depression off and on over the years since I was a child, I know that when I took SSRIs or MAOIs I felt a sense of detachment from my emotions almost immediately. In fact, I have often wondered if that wasn’t the actual anti-depressant action of those meds. Not that they helped because they did much positively for the brain chemicals, but that they dampened all emotions. I can remember riding in the car with my family and thinking how bizarre it was that I couldn’t give a shit less about any of them. As a mother, I didn’t like that feeling at all.

    In the end, nothing has worked for me for more than a couple of weeks at a time, and being a person who didn’t want to be on that program of raising the dose until I maxed out on a med, only to have to jump to a different med to see continued results. Now I just tough it out and remind myself it will pass.

    Meditation has helped more than I can say. If they only taught that in schools from a very young age, we would all be players in a very different game here.

    I wish health care professionals would teach people how to feel their feelings and search within for spiritual strength. It’s something that has been taught to children, from a very young age, in some of the most enduring and successful cultures around the world. Sadly, not here. The disenfranchisement and separation we encourage in this culture are only making this situation worse.

    • Mo on October 6, 2015 at 08:59

      All so true, Ann. I’m glad you’ve found help in meditation. And as to a search for spiritual strength, check out http://www.guyfinley.org.



    • Ann on October 6, 2015 at 19:11

      Hey Mo, thanks so much for the link. I am looking it over with interest, and also have several other people I will be forwarding it to. Much appreciated!



  13. Hugh on October 6, 2015 at 15:54

    Haven’t been able to dig in to it but I just came across this recently released paper: Breaking Down the Barriers: The Gut Microbiome, Intestinal Permeability and Stress-related Psychiatric Disorders. http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fncel.2015.00392/abstract

    Looks to be up someone around here’s alley. Provisional PDF available on the right.

  14. Joseph Freund on October 12, 2015 at 08:48

    Hey Richard
    2 things
    1 you quoted this “A big nerve known as the vagus nerve, which runs all the way from the brain to the abdomen, was a prime suspect. And when researchers in Ireland cut the vagus nerve in mice, they no longer saw the brain respond to changes in the gut.”
    so what happens once this nerve is cut? can it be repaired? and maybe some of the ppl who have no success in repairing the gut could be because of the highway is gone?

    2 how far would you go in connecting Schizophrenia with the gut? any articles or pointers on that? at least to relieve symptoms
    thanks much

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